How good will Sully and Olynyk be at their prime?

[2short]

sully=paul silas to me just about exact, rebounding beast, good solid defender, sully is probably a better passer, 4th or 5th option on offense, guy who doesn't need plays called for him but will still get his points

olynyk=? different size but how about tony kukoc....versatile player who does a lot of things well but nothing great, good off bench but can start, not a dominate player but a guy who will help in many ways

[PhoSita]

One guy id love to grab if he is not greedy for money and availble is greg monroe. Monroe and olynyk front court duo would be deadly.

Always deadly to have two starting big men who combine for 1 block and change per game.

How many blocks did sa spurs team last year or those glory years bulls team have before??

Blocking shots is overrated vs playing solid positional d

The number of blocks isn't what really matters, per se.  Rather, a team needs players who have the length, positioning, timing, etc to bother, alter, or completely deter shots near the rim without fouling.  Those don't always become blocks, but truly great shot blockers affect many, many shot attempts every game. 

Opponents simply don't shoot nearly as high a percentage, or attempt as many shots, in the paint against a team with good shot blockers.

[mgent]

Sully- Horace Grant/David West
Olynyk I cannot tell

It would take quite a transformation for Sully to become the force that David West is.  Sully has shown exceptional touch around the basket and has potential to be a great post player, but I don't think he'll ever be near the top of the league in the pick and roll/pop as well like West.  David West gets by with his lack of explosion due to his elite fundamentals (Duncan-like) and vast array of post moves, neither of which Sully has really shown.  While he should be at least as good as West as a rebounder, he hasn't shown the potential to become close in passing or overall defense.

More realistically I think Sullinger at his peak could be David West or Boozer/Zandolph as someone else suggested, AKA 20/8-10 for a year or two, but not consistently year after year throughout his prime like the other 3.  I doubt the rebounding will hold him back, but even if he can hone the same jumper as them, he hasn't shown the potential to be enough of a scorer to be the 2nd option on a contender (or 1st in Randolph's case).

He's going to have to work really hard to be a 15ppg player in a league of much more athletic players, 20ppg is a much tougher feat/higher ceiling.  I think more realistic comparisons would be Scola, Blatche, Kaman, Haslem, or if not (like say his back troubles him) a Blair/Hickson/Big Baby type.

As for Olynyk, even though his ceiling is higher, I'm liking Boris Diaw as a probable outcome.  They are much more talented than their peers but have such an athleticism disadvantage that they can't reach their ceiling.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

As for Sully, I reckon his ceiling is a homeless (couch surfing 300 days a year) man's Charles Barkley, and his floor is a homeless  (international refugee, staying in someone else's tent at the camp) man's Charles Barkley. Have only seen Olynyk in photographs. On basis to make predictions

[yoursweatersux]

One guy id love to grab if he is not greedy for money and availble is greg monroe. Monroe and olynyk front court duo would be deadly.

Always deadly to have two starting big men who combine for 1 block and change per game.

How many blocks did sa spurs team last year or those glory years bulls team have before??

Blocking shots is overrated vs playing solid positional d

The number of blocks isn't what really matters, per se.  Rather, a team needs players who have the length, positioning, timing, etc to bother, alter, or completely deter shots near the rim without fouling.  Those don't always become blocks, but truly great shot blockers affect many, many shot attempts every game. 

Opponents simply don't shoot nearly as high a percentage, or attempt as many shots, in the paint against a team with good shot blockers.

Gave you a Tommy Point because you said what I was going to say.

You can literally see some players completely alter their aggression levels when a big-time shot blocker comes into the game. For instance, a lot of the time Rondo will just completely stop attacking the paint. You can't underestimate the impact that has.

[BballTim]

One guy id love to grab if he is not greedy for money and availble is greg monroe. Monroe and olynyk front court duo would be deadly.

Always deadly to have two starting big men who combine for 1 block and change per game.

How many blocks did sa spurs team last year or those glory years bulls team have before??

Blocking shots is overrated vs playing solid positional d

The number of blocks isn't what really matters, per se.  Rather, a team needs players who have the length, positioning, timing, etc to bother, alter, or completely deter shots near the rim without fouling.  Those don't always become blocks, but truly great shot blockers affect many, many shot attempts every game. 

Opponents simply don't shoot nearly as high a percentage, or attempt as many shots, in the paint against a team with good shot blockers.

  Interestingly enough (from hoopdata), while teams shoot a somewhat lower inside fg% against better shot-blocking teams, they don't take any fewer of those shots against those shot-blocking teams, in fact they might take somewhat more than average (from my cursory look at a 2 year period).

[oldmanspeaks]

How good these guys are will depend upon how good the players around them are. Neither of these guys are the kind that will cause big double teams. However let them get in good position one on one and they can be quite good.
I was 13 for 15 from the field a few weeks back in two on two games against two young giants and I am a short fat old man. However my partner, although very old with 7 knee operations) is still the best shot in the county so my shooting arm was open and I can still shoot the ball. Sullinger and O can also put it in the hoop and will give up their bodies so they can be really useful if they have superstar teammates who will share the ball.

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Paul Milsap and Dirk's kid brother.

[danglertx]

A lot of people won't get this comparison but I'd put Olynyk as a taller Detlef Schrempf with maybe some better post skills.

Detlef was always call the poor man's Bird but he actually had more of a straight jumper and more athletic skill set where Bird was more of a scorer than just a shooter.

[guava_wrench]

One guy id love to grab if he is not greedy for money and availble is greg monroe. Monroe and olynyk front court duo would be deadly.

Always deadly to have two starting big men who combine for 1 block and change per game.

How many blocks did sa spurs team last year or those glory years bulls team have before??

Blocking shots is overrated vs playing solid positional d

Monroe can really rebound the ball , is a gifted passer like olynyk and has really developed a low post game the past year.

The reason why he doesnt click with drummond is that he neither of them can shoot the ball consistently out from the perimeter.(drummond is beyond bad)

Have you seen Duncan play before?

[guava_wrench]

Interesting to note that KO is almost full year older than Sully. At 21, Sully can still develop a lot.

[guava_wrench]

A lot of people won't get this comparison but I'd put Olynyk as a taller Detlef Schrempf with maybe some better post skills.

Detlef was always call the poor man's Bird but he actually had more of a straight jumper and more athletic skill set where Bird was more of a scorer than just a shooter.

You don't mention the things the Schrempf was better at. Are you saying KO is better?

[danglertx]

A lot of people won't get this comparison but I'd put Olynyk as a taller Detlef Schrempf with maybe some better post skills.

Detlef was always call the poor man's Bird but he actually had more of a straight jumper and more athletic skill set where Bird was more of a scorer than just a shooter.

You don't mention the things the Schrempf was better at. Are you saying KO is better?

I'd say they might be equivalent players.  Obviously prime years Schrempf is better than rookie KO.  I really haven't seen enough of KO to say for sure his ball handling will be as good or his 3pt shot but they definitely can be.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if their career stats are very similar.

[LarBrd33]

A lot of people won't get this comparison but I'd put Olynyk as a taller Detlef Schrempf with maybe some better post skills.

Detlef was always call the poor man's Bird but he actually had more of a straight jumper and more athletic skill set where Bird was more of a scorer than just a shooter.

Nah.  Schrempf was one of the greatest shooters I've ever seen.

In his prime he shot 52% from the floor, 52% from three, 84% from the line and averaged 19 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists.  He was a 3-time All-Star.

It's a reach.  KO might end up a starter, but he also might be a long-term backup.  He's the most intriguing young player on this team, but I'm tempering my enthusiasm.

As for Sully... I think he can have a Glen Davis type of career.  I think he should be a bit better if he doesn't have his career limited by back trouble.

[hpantazo]

A lot of people won't get this comparison but I'd put Olynyk as a taller Detlef Schrempf with maybe some better post skills.

Detlef was always call the poor man's Bird but he actually had more of a straight jumper and more athletic skill set where Bird was more of a scorer than just a shooter.

KO has a long way to go if you ever hope for him to reach Schremp's level. Schrempf was a top shooter in the NBA and a legit all-star who brought it during the playoffs.