Terrence Williams gets his charges dropped

[Celtics18]

i thought having kids changed your whole mentality of how we walk thru this world..


if you carry a gun to protect your self option A would be to not ride up in a 2016 whip with your music bumpin and wearing 1,000,000 around ya neck and fingers with your child if you think some one might rob you..get a hoopty like me..i dont have fear of gettin car jacked so need for a gat..

thank God no one had a gun and shot back..

What?!!  I don't think that's how it happened.

lol no

my point is why would he carry a gun with his child in the car..

im

"sippin"

so my imagination tends to flow

Not trying to stifle your creativity or anything, but, unfortunately, this is how false rumors take on a life of their own in today's age.

"Wow, did you hear that Terrence Williams pulled up Gansta style with a million dollars worth of bling around his neck, pumping out some music about killing people, got out and pointed a gun at his baby's mama and her innocent boyfriend who is just a regular guy trying to make a living as a roofer."

Keep sipping, and keep your imagination flowing, but I think it's kind of irresponsible to just make up really damaging and inaccurate stuff about another human being.

WOW

u jus gave me power that i didnt know i had

lol!

"sippin"

I didn't give it to you.  You just might not have known you had it. 

[NocturnalRebel]

Glad his charges were dropped. I was one of his (few) supporters here on this and I'm glad this is something he no longer has to deal with. Though I wish he would have stayed with tha C's, I wish him tha best.

 

[fitzhickey]

glad this is over
always been a fan of him (don't know why though)
good potential
but that's all he has

[Roy H.]

So, wait...  He wouldn't have acted any differently in hindsight?  Despite his acknowledgement that the entire situation caused his son pain?

This is why a lot of people (including me) think Williams is a punk.  The fact that he thinks he did the right thing pulling a gun out in front of his son, rather than staying in his car and driving off, is thug-think.

I may be mistaken, but I thought TWill said he didn't pull a gun out he showed it in his waistband or something like that because he was about to get jumped. In that tweet I think he's talking about "his" pain.

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.  He got out of his car, and brandished / flashed / whatever his gun in front of his son.  I'm sure that's what caused the look on his son's face.

Williams should have just driven off.  The fact that he feels justified in his actions, and wouldn't have changed anything, says a lot about him as a human being.  There apparently wasn't proof to convict him, but the fact that he pulled out / flashed a gun in front of his 10 year old son is contemptible.

(What separates this from the Sullinger case, in my mind, is that none of us has any idea what happened in Sully's situation.  It's an allegation.  Here, Williams admits to pulling / showing the gun, he admits he was in his car when he felt "threatened", and he admits his son was there.  Now, he's apparently admitted that his son was upset.  And yet, he has no remorse, and would gladly repeat it.)

Wow, Roy!

It almost seems like you have a personal beef with Terrence Williams.  I don't think you know enough about the case to come to the kind of conclusions that you've come to about who Terrence Williams is as a person. 

I can't say that I understand your rush to judgment on this.  Weren't you the one who was comparing another poster to a member of a "lynch mob" for his rush to judgment in the Sullinger thread?

Can you point to one thing in the Williams case I said that wasn't true?  Williams admits to getting out of his car and flashing his gun, doesn't he?  And he admits that this was in front of his son, doesn't he?  And now he's saying that he wouldn't change a thing about that day, despite the "look on his son's face", correct?

He could have avoided the entire situation by driving off.  Instead, he decided to be a tough guy, getting out of his car and flashing a gun.  I'm perfectly fine judging that action on a moral level. 

As I've consistently said, I feel for the kid in this situation.  It sounds like he's got two lousy parents.

[fitzhickey]

So, wait...  He wouldn't have acted any differently in hindsight?  Despite his acknowledgement that the entire situation caused his son pain?

This is why a lot of people (including me) think Williams is a punk.  The fact that he thinks he did the right thing pulling a gun out in front of his son, rather than staying in his car and driving off, is thug-think.

I may be mistaken, but I thought TWill said he didn't pull a gun out he showed it in his waistband or something like that because he was about to get jumped. In that tweet I think he's talking about "his" pain.

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.  He got out of his car, and brandished / flashed / whatever his gun in front of his son.  I'm sure that's what caused the look on his son's face.

Williams should have just driven off.  The fact that he feels justified in his actions, and wouldn't have changed anything, says a lot about him as a human being.  There apparently wasn't proof to convict him, but the fact that he pulled out / flashed a gun in front of his 10 year old son is contemptible.

(What separates this from the Sullinger case, in my mind, is that none of us has any idea what happened in Sully's situation.  It's an allegation.  Here, Williams admits to pulling / showing the gun, he admits he was in his car when he felt "threatened", and he admits his son was there.  Now, he's apparently admitted that his son was upset.  And yet, he has no remorse, and would gladly repeat it.)

Wow, Roy!

It almost seems like you have a personal beef with Terrence Williams.  I don't think you know enough about the case to come to the kind of conclusions that you've come to about who Terrence Williams is as a person. 

I can't say that I understand your rush to judgment on this.  Weren't you the one who was comparing another poster to a member of a "lynch mob" for his rush to judgment in the Sullinger thread?

Can you point to one thing in the Williams case I said that wasn't true?  Williams admits to getting out of his car and flashing his gun, doesn't he?  And he admits that this was in front of his son, doesn't he?  And now he's saying that he wouldn't change a thing about that day, despite the "look on his son's face", correct?

He could have avoided the entire situation by driving off.  Instead, he decided to be a tough guy, getting out of his car and flashing a gun.  I'm perfectly fine judging that action on a moral level. 

As I've consistently said, I feel for the kid in this situation.  It sounds like he's got two lousy parents.

Roy is making perfectly logical judgements based on the facts presented
doesn't seem to be anything personal

[Celtics18]

So, wait...  He wouldn't have acted any differently in hindsight?  Despite his acknowledgement that the entire situation caused his son pain?

This is why a lot of people (including me) think Williams is a punk.  The fact that he thinks he did the right thing pulling a gun out in front of his son, rather than staying in his car and driving off, is thug-think.

I may be mistaken, but I thought TWill said he didn't pull a gun out he showed it in his waistband or something like that because he was about to get jumped. In that tweet I think he's talking about "his" pain.

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.  He got out of his car, and brandished / flashed / whatever his gun in front of his son.  I'm sure that's what caused the look on his son's face.

Williams should have just driven off.  The fact that he feels justified in his actions, and wouldn't have changed anything, says a lot about him as a human being.  There apparently wasn't proof to convict him, but the fact that he pulled out / flashed a gun in front of his 10 year old son is contemptible.

(What separates this from the Sullinger case, in my mind, is that none of us has any idea what happened in Sully's situation.  It's an allegation.  Here, Williams admits to pulling / showing the gun, he admits he was in his car when he felt "threatened", and he admits his son was there.  Now, he's apparently admitted that his son was upset.  And yet, he has no remorse, and would gladly repeat it.)

Wow, Roy!

It almost seems like you have a personal beef with Terrence Williams.  I don't think you know enough about the case to come to the kind of conclusions that you've come to about who Terrence Williams is as a person. 

I can't say that I understand your rush to judgment on this.  Weren't you the one who was comparing another poster to a member of a "lynch mob" for his rush to judgment in the Sullinger thread?

Can you point to one thing in the Williams case I said that wasn't true?  Williams admits to getting out of his car and flashing his gun, doesn't he?  And he admits that this was in front of his son, doesn't he?  And now he's saying that he wouldn't change a thing about that day, despite the "look on his son's face", correct?

He could have avoided the entire situation by driving off.  Instead, he decided to be a tough guy, getting out of his car and flashing a gun.  I'm perfectly fine judging that action on a moral level. 

As I've consistently said, I feel for the kid in this situation.  It sounds like he's got two lousy parents.

The key point that you seem to be ignoring is that according to Williams, he felt threatened.  Apparently, the mother of his son wasn't the only person present.  She had a boyfriend with her who Williams felt threatened by, as well. 

I haven't heard anything about who the mother was hanging around with, but Terrence may have had reason to believe that these were scary guys, capable of violence. 

Perhaps Williams felt that the best way to ensure that the situation didn't escalate into violence was to show that he was carrying a weapon. 

Apparently the prosecutors agreed that Williams acted in self-defense.  This is why they dropped the case. 

You can continue to argue that he may have made some mistakes and that you may have acted differently, but I don't think there's enough there to conclusively label Terrence Williams as a "punk" and a "thug."

[Roy H.]

The key point that you seem to be ignoring is that according to Williams, he felt threatened.

?

How am I ignoring that?

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.

Perhaps Williams felt that the best way to ensure that the situation didn't escalate into violence was to show that he was carrying a weapon.

Perhaps he did feel like that.  He probably did, which is what I refer to as "thug-think".  If you're in your car, I'm not sure how it's more safe to get out of that car and to show a gun, than it is to simply drive off and/or call the police.

Do you disagree with that?

[Celtics18]

The key point that you seem to be ignoring is that according to Williams, he felt threatened.

?

How am I ignoring that?

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.

Perhaps Williams felt that the best way to ensure that the situation didn't escalate into violence was to show that he was carrying a weapon.

Perhaps he did feel like that.  He probably did, which is what I refer to as "thug-think".  If you're in your car, I'm not sure how it's more safe to get out of that car and to show a gun, than it is to simply drive off and/or call the police.

Do you disagree with that?

With the mother of his son banging on the hood of his car, it may have been difficult to "simply drive off" without being forced to run her over. 

[Celtics4ever]

With the mother of his son banging on the hood of his car, it may have been difficult to "simply drive off" without being forced to run her over. 

That is why cars have a R gear too.   They can back up as well as drive forward and most people are not as strong as cars.  Backing up if that was the case is something most people could or would do other than show a gun.

He is done here.   Ainge gave him a shot.  He was some talent but at this point it will never realize to his potential because he is an eight year vet.  His potential for whatever reason does not add up on the court.

[hardlyyardley]

Hey...at least he's got enough money for grad school

[crimson_stallion]

So, wait...  He wouldn't have acted any differently in hindsight?  Despite his acknowledgement that the entire situation caused his son pain?

This is why a lot of people (including me) think Williams is a punk.  The fact that he thinks he did the right thing pulling a gun out in front of his son, rather than staying in his car and driving off, is thug-think.

I may be mistaken, but I thought TWill said he didn't pull a gun out he showed it in his waistband or something like that because he was about to get jumped. In that tweet I think he's talking about "his" pain.

Williams was in his car at the time when he indicated that he felt threatened.  He got out of his car, and brandished / flashed / whatever his gun in front of his son.  I'm sure that's what caused the look on his son's face.

Williams should have just driven off.  The fact that he feels justified in his actions, and wouldn't have changed anything, says a lot about him as a human being.  There apparently wasn't proof to convict him, but the fact that he pulled out / flashed a gun in front of his 10 year old son is contemptible.

(What separates this from the Sullinger case, in my mind, is that none of us has any idea what happened in Sully's situation.  It's an allegation.  Here, Williams admits to pulling / showing the gun, he admits he was in his car when he felt "threatened", and he admits his son was there.  Now, he's apparently admitted that his son was upset.  And yet, he has no remorse, and would gladly repeat it.)

It's easy to judge when you aren't in the situation and don't know the situation.

Maybe the other guy had a knife, or a bat, or a some type of weapon.  Maybe he was threatening to chase them, and Terrence felt simply driving away wouldn't remove the threat - he had to give the guy a reason to fear them enough to let them go.

He's in the car with his son, and is a natural instinct for a father to get especially protective when his son, is threatened.  He may feel bad that his son had to see him with a gun, by at the same time he may have no regrets, knowing that flashing the gun scared the guy off enough for he and his son to get away safely.

If the law has accepted his actions then it suggests he had reason for acting how he did.  They must have concluded that his actions were reasonable and/or justifiable.  Unless we we there is very difficult for us to judge.

As for this being worse than the Sully situation, how?  Reports are that Sully was physically aggressive / assaulted (to some degree) his girl friend, who probably offered little threat to a 6'9" and 260lb guy with Sully's strength.  Williams flashed a weapon at a man who was threatening to bring harm to him and potentially his young son.  Most father's would do anything to protect their child.

Now Sully's case is not clear cut, but I believe it's already been confirmed that he laid his hands on his gf in an aggressive way.  Maybe he didn't hit her and he just grabbed her aggressively or pushed her...it's still domestic violence.  Williams to my knowledge didn't lay a hand on the guy, just flashed a gun to scare him away.  Assuming what I've read soo far is accurate in both cases, Sully's crime is far worse.

[crimson_stallion]

It kinda disgusts me how everybody is so fast to attack a role player like Terence Williams and assume the worst, but everybody immediately jumps on the defense with Sully. 

Why?

Williams has a history of being a problem child, but last year he looked like a man revitalised and clear of his past.  He said all the right things, did all the right things,, played the right way, never complained about his minimal playing time.  He earned enough respect from Doc to replace Courtney Lee in the rotation in the playoffs, which says a lot given Doc's general lack of trust in young, unproven players (and guys with bad attitudes).

Sully has been thought of as a nice guy by everybody, but do you ever really know who a person is behind closed doors?  As a player hes a fighter and a banger who contributes largely by battling down like and throwing his weight around.  He's spoken about his heated and physical basketball battles with his brothers, and that they'd always beat up on him.  We assume he is a nice guy because of the way he talks on camera, but for all we know he could have a make temper problem and could be a guy who responds to arguments with aggressive force.

Ok truly hope that's not true because I really like Sully as a player, but the fact is we don't know.

End of the day I don't think urs fair the way these two guys are treated by fans comparatively.  It seems Williams was judged before he even came here, and people nieve gave him a chance regardless of how well he handled himself.  I'd live to see him back in Boston - in the playoffs he was great as a PG and dogs all the right things,,.  We'd be a better team with him, and I'd happily dump Crawford or Lee in return for bringing him back.

[Roy H.]

It's easy to judge when you aren't in the situation and don't know the situation.

Maybe the other guy had a knife, or a bat, or a some type of weapon.  Maybe he was threatening to chase them, and Terrence felt simply driving away wouldn't remove the threat - he had to give the guy a reason to fear them enough to let them go.

He's in the car with his son, and is a natural instinct for a father to get especially protective when his son, is threatened.  He may feel bad that his son had to see him with a gun, by at the same time he may have no regrets, knowing that flashing the gun scared the guy off enough for he and his son to get away safely.

If the law has accepted his actions then it suggests he had reason for acting how he did.  They must have concluded that his actions were reasonable and/or justifiable.  Unless we we there is very difficult for us to judge.

As for this being worse than the Sully situation, how?  Reports are that Sully was physically aggressive / assaulted (to some degree) his girl friend, who probably offered little threat to a 6'9" and 260lb guy with Sully's strength.  Williams flashed a weapon at a man who was threatening to bring harm to him and potentially his young son.  Most father's would do anything to protect their child.

Now Sully's case is not clear cut, but I believe it's already been confirmed that he laid his hands on his gf in an aggressive way.  Maybe he didn't hit her and he just grabbed her aggressively or pushed her...it's still domestic violence.  Williams to my knowledge didn't lay a hand on the guy, just flashed a gun to scare him away.  Assuming what I've read soo far is accurate in both cases, Sully's crime is far worse.

You're making up facts all over the place.

1.  There was no allegation, including by Williams, that anybody had a weapon other than him.

2.  There's no allegation that anybody threatened to chase Williams.

3.  His son wasn't in the car.  (There's an allegation that the son stepped in between Williams and his ex after Williams pulled / flashed his gun.  We don't know if this is true, but Williams didn't dispute it publicly.)

4.  I'm not sure where it was confirmed that Sully "laid his hands on his gf in an aggressive way". 

5.  Where are you getting the idea that Williams never touched his gun?  He admitted to pulling it out, holding it to his side, and stepping out of his vehicle.

[Roy H.]

It kinda disgusts me how everybody is so fast to attack a role player like Terence Williams and assume the worst, but everybody immediately jumps on the defense with Sully.

Respectfully, but since your own understanding of the two cases is a little hazy, wouldn't it make sense to read a little more before becoming disgusted with folks?

In general, I agree that we don't know a lot about the true nature of these guys.  At the same time, I do think it's fair to take somebody's track record into account when assessing somebody's actions.

[Celtics18]

It's easy to judge when you aren't in the situation and don't know the situation.

Maybe the other guy had a knife, or a bat, or a some type of weapon.  Maybe he was threatening to chase them, and Terrence felt simply driving away wouldn't remove the threat - he had to give the guy a reason to fear them enough to let them go.

He's in the car with his son, and is a natural instinct for a father to get especially protective when his son, is threatened.  He may feel bad that his son had to see him with a gun, by at the same time he may have no regrets, knowing that flashing the gun scared the guy off enough for he and his son to get away safely.

If the law has accepted his actions then it suggests he had reason for acting how he did.  They must have concluded that his actions were reasonable and/or justifiable.  Unless we we there is very difficult for us to judge.

As for this being worse than the Sully situation, how?  Reports are that Sully was physically aggressive / assaulted (to some degree) his girl friend, who probably offered little threat to a 6'9" and 260lb guy with Sully's strength.  Williams flashed a weapon at a man who was threatening to bring harm to him and potentially his young son.  Most father's would do anything to protect their child.

Now Sully's case is not clear cut, but I believe it's already been confirmed that he laid his hands on his gf in an aggressive way.  Maybe he didn't hit her and he just grabbed her aggressively or pushed her...it's still domestic violence.  Williams to my knowledge didn't lay a hand on the guy, just flashed a gun to scare him away.  Assuming what I've read soo far is accurate in both cases, Sully's crime is far worse.

You're making up facts all over the place.

1.  There was no allegation, including by Williams, that anybody had a weapon other than him.

2.  There's no allegation that anybody threatened to chase Williams.

3.  His son wasn't in the car.  (There's an allegation that the son stepped in between Williams and his ex after Williams pulled / flashed his gun.  We don't know if this is true, but Williams didn't dispute it publicly.)

4.  I'm not sure where it was confirmed that Sully "laid his hands on his gf in an aggressive way". 

5.  Where are you getting the idea that Williams never touched his gun?  He admitted to pulling it out, holding it to his side, and stepping out of his vehicle.

Do you have any access to Williams' full version of the events of the case?  All I know is that he felt threatened and showed his gun to extricate himself from the situation.  Obviously, the prosecution felt like he acted in self-defense.  That's why they dropped the case. 

I don't understand your zeal to villify a man who hasn't been found guilty of anything while (as far as I know) the events of the case are very hazy.