2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread : VOTING ENDS 8:00PM EST TONIGHT

[BigAlTheFuture]

I can't help but wonder if better value could have been gotten in return for Derozan.

I explored trade potential for DeRozan in the DKC, in case I traded for him.  He basically has none.  Now, there, you have a salary cap, which makes a big difference, but I don't think I've ever seen a player who scores so much, but who is valued so little.

I had Derozan in pick2 so I feel you guy's pain.

[nickagneta]

We are at lunch with just Evantime needing to make a pick to complete round 12.

I will not be here for this final round so Roy is assuming commissioner duties until I return later on.

[Lucky17]

Wish I could conduct trade talks, but I've got to bounce for a while. I've submitted a list to nick for the 13.5.

Please send your offers in. All will receive a TP. I'll get back to you later on this afternoon.

[Edit: Roy, I'll send you list as well.]

[Who]

TRADE

Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5

I like the trade for OKC too.

DeRozan was a hard fit on a team with D-Rose and D-Howard. Someone like Ben Gordon (who I like very much) will do a much better job. I think BG is going to have a fun time playing off of D-Rose and D-Howard. His explosive scoring + shooting ability is going to create much improved spacing for his superstar teammates.

I think Ben Gordon for D.DeRozan is a fair trade value wise for both teams. I wouldn't consider B.Gordon bad value for someone like DeRozan.

I also think they are superior fits for each teams. Both squads got better with this deal.

[rondoallaturca]

I like that trade for GSW.

Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.

I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.

I would share this enthusiasm but it's all smoke and mirrors. You're right that Demar's better off coming off the bench because he'd be a poor fit in the starting unit, but where is he going to get backup SG minutes from? You already mentioned Williams and Jackson, and they'll be soaking up most of the bench guard minutes. That leaves Rush alternating between starting SG and backup SF, which would mean Derozan would still have to see the court with Gay. Or, Derozan could instead be the backup SF, but he hasn't posted great numbers whatsoever playing that position, and would likely see very limited playing time anyway with Gay soaking up at least 35 minutes.

[Fafnir]

Yeah I definitely like Gordon better than DeRozan for OKC.

[fairweatherfan]

Can someone lay out for me the basis of the DeRozan hate?  I haven't seen him play much at all, but while he seems flawed, he's not an especially inefficient scorer and all his advanced stats are in the mediocre-to-ok range.  Even the assists aren't terrible.

Is he just a selfish knucklehead or something?  I can see why people don't think he's as good as the raw stats, but seeing him as nearly worthless seems like a stretch.

[Roy H.]

As far as Ben Gordon, he fell off a cliff in the second half last year and clashed with his coach.  I value his skill set to fill a role, but I don't care for him as a starter, or even necessarily as a sixth man.

[Who]

I like that trade for GSW.

Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.

I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.

I would share this enthusiasm but it's all smoke and mirrors. You're right that Demar's better off coming off the bench because he'd be a poor fit in the starting unit, but where is he going to get backup SG minutes from? You already mentioned Williams and Jackson, and they'll be soaking up most of the bench guard minutes. That leaves Rush alternating between starting SG and backup SF, which would mean Derozan would still have to see the court with Gay. Or, Derozan could instead be the backup SF, but he hasn't posted great numbers whatsoever playing that position, and would likely see very limited playing time anyway with Gay soaking up at least 35 minutes.

Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?

He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.

Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.

If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.

DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.

Golden State improved themselves here.

[pearljammer10]

Can someone lay out for me the basis of the DeRozan hate?  I haven't seen him play much at all, but while he seems flawed, he's not an especially inefficient scorer and all his advanced stats are in the mediocre-to-ok range.  Even the assists aren't terrible.

Is he just a selfish knucklehead or something?  I can see why people don't think he's as good as the raw stats, but seeing him as nearly worthless seems like a stretch.

I am not sure what the deal with him is either but I have never liked him as a player based on, well to be honest, I am not really sure what.

[rondoallaturca]

Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?

He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.

Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.

If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.

DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.

Golden State improved themselves here.

I couldn't disagree more. My point in bringing up his minutes isn't to say that he needs a bigger role, but it exemplifies the overriding theme of the roster. There is a lot of talent, but it's utilized horribly. I don't think Golden State improved themselves at all here when all they've is made a lateral move even though they had the potential to become a very good team.

[Who]

Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?

He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.

Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.

If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.

DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.

Golden State improved themselves here.

I couldn't disagree more. My point in bringing up his minutes isn't to say that he needs a bigger role, but it exemplifies the overriding theme of the roster. There is a lot of talent, but it's utilized horribly. I don't think Golden State improved themselves at all here when all they've is made a lateral move even though they had the potential to become a very good team.

A lateral move for a player who is a better fit = improvement

[RebusRankin]

With the 13.1, Washington selects Brenden Haywood.

[rondoallaturca]

A lateral move for a player who is a better fit = improvement

You can just as easily say that the loss in trade value negates that improvement.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Houston Rockets take Derek Fisher