06-07 vs 13-14 celtics

[BballTim]

I'd take Pierce over Rondo, easily.

I'd also take Jefferson over Green.

The rest of the parts are insignificant, nobody to write home about to be honest.

Doc was already a CotY winner, so he was significantly more proven than Stevens.


No question 2006-07 over this year's roster. And that's saying something because that team even if healthy wasn't a .500 team.

  They would have been better than a .500 team if they were healthy. The problem was they never were.

[hwangjini_1]

If Celtics make the playoffs this year, Brad Stevens should win the coach of the year

Cripes. If Stevens leads the celtics to the playoffs he should be made a saint for performing a miracle.

[Tr1boy]

If Celtics make the playoffs this year, Brad Stevens should win the coach of the year

Cripes. If Stevens leads the celtics to the playoffs he should be made a saint for performing a miracle.

Say if pp, terry and kg stayed, we draft olynyk, pick up pressey or barbosa and sign faverani.

Do we make the playoffs?

If the answer is yes, than its all about pp and kg. But many have said green right now is a more complete player than pp, so that leaves kg as the key ingredient missing this year. A tag team of sully , humphries, olynyk cant do the job or make it up other ways a 37-38 year old aging superstar can?

[GreenEnvy]

I'd take Pierce over Rondo, easily.

I'd also take Jefferson over Green.

The rest of the parts are insignificant, nobody to write home about to be honest.

Doc was already a CotY winner, so he was significantly more proven than Stevens.


No question 2006-07 over this year's roster. And that's saying something because that team even if healthy wasn't a .500 team.

  They would have been better than a .500 team if they were healthy. The problem was they never were.

What makes you believe that?

They were 33-49 the previous season and 12-20 before the losing streak that many believe is why/when we started tanking.

[GreenEnvy]

If Celtics make the playoffs this year, Brad Stevens should win the coach of the year

Cripes. If Stevens leads the celtics to the playoffs he should be made a saint for performing a miracle.

Say if pp, terry and kg stayed, we draft olynyk, pick up pressey or barbosa and sign faverani.

Do we make the playoffs?

If the answer is yes, than its all about pp and kg. But many have said green right now is a more complete player than pp, so that leaves kg as the key ingredient missing this year. A tag team of sully , humphries, olynyk cant do the job or make it up other ways a 37-38 year old aging superstar can?

Who thinks that?

Pierce is still the more versatile scorer and is definitely a better passer and rebounder (averaged 8rpg and 7apg last season after Rondo went down). Maybe Green is the more capable defender, but Pierce is still a smarter one.

[Galeto]

The 2007 team had the best player in Pierce in this comparison.  It also had the best young prospect in Jefferson.  Otherwise, that team was a train wreck.  At least this current team actually has multiple veterans in the prime of their career (albeit one whose coming off an ACL tear) and multiple young players who have experience. Besides Pierce, everyone else was either extremely young, with very little experience or old and over the hill.  It's incomprehensible that THAT was the roster Ainge assembled four years into his tenure.

It's hard to believe how bad that team without Pierce was.  They went 2-23 while he was out.  They went 10-13 after he came back.  If he hadn't come back, they were on their way to putting the consecutive losing record into unreachable territory.  I don't doubt the team pushed Pierce to come back early so they wouldn't set the mark because he still wasn't right physically after he returned.

[Galeto]

If Celtics make the playoffs this year, Brad Stevens should win the coach of the year

Cripes. If Stevens leads the celtics to the playoffs he should be made a saint for performing a miracle.

Say if pp, terry and kg stayed, we draft olynyk, pick up pressey or barbosa and sign faverani.

Do we make the playoffs?

If the answer is yes, than its all about pp and kg. But many have said green right now is a more complete player than pp, so that leaves kg as the key ingredient missing this year. A tag team of sully , humphries, olynyk cant do the job or make it up other ways a 37-38 year old aging superstar can?

Who thinks that?

Pierce is still the more versatile scorer and is definitely a better passer and rebounder (averaged 8rpg and 7apg last season after Rondo went down). Maybe Green is the more capable defender, but Pierce is still a smarter one.

Yeah, I don't think "many" means what he thinks it means.  Or I hope not.  Green is an improved player but a complete player isn't what comes to mind when I think about Green.   

The on/off numbers without either Pierce or Garnett or both on the court last season are scary.  I'm not sure what many think but the team was much better on offense and defense when Pierce played.  I don't think losing him is going to be insignificant.

[BballTim]

I'd take Pierce over Rondo, easily.

I'd also take Jefferson over Green.

The rest of the parts are insignificant, nobody to write home about to be honest.

Doc was already a CotY winner, so he was significantly more proven than Stevens.


No question 2006-07 over this year's roster. And that's saying something because that team even if healthy wasn't a .500 team.

  They would have been better than a .500 team if they were healthy. The problem was they never were.

What makes you believe that?

They were 33-49 the previous season and 12-20 before the losing streak that many believe is why/when we started tanking.

  Watching them play? They got off to a bad start that year but had gone 9-7 in their past 16 games including 5 straight wins when PP was injured. They were coming together pretty well. Even then though, Perk wasn't really healthy.

[Tr1boy]

If Celtics make the playoffs this year, Brad Stevens should win the coach of the year

Cripes. If Stevens leads the celtics to the playoffs he should be made a saint for performing a miracle.

Say if pp, terry and kg stayed, we draft olynyk, pick up pressey or barbosa and sign faverani.

Do we make the playoffs?

If the answer is yes, than its all about pp and kg. But many have said green right now is a more complete player than pp, so that leaves kg as the key ingredient missing this year. A tag team of sully , humphries, olynyk cant do the job or make it up other ways a 37-38 year old aging superstar can?

Who thinks that?

Pierce is still the more versatile scorer and is definitely a better passer and rebounder (averaged 8rpg and 7apg last season after Rondo went down). Maybe Green is the more capable defender, but Pierce is still a smarter one.

Pierce is getting old plain and simple. On offense he couldnt even drive to the net anymore and he had horrible streaks without getting buckets. While still was a smart defender was a step too late. Green is a better defender, more size, quickness and on offense and especially closer to the end more efficient , can drive to the basket, improved shooting, passing. The only thing he could do better is rebound

In addition lets not forget his 43 pt game outburst and several 25 pt plus games. He is capable to be a top sf

[itsthatbradguy]

This team may be comparable in wins & losses to the 2007 team, but talent wise, this team is far superior. The difference will be that the Eastern Conference (and the NBA as a whole) is much stronger now than it was in 2007.

If I were making a team out of the 2...

PG: '14 Rondo/'07 Delonte/'07 Rondo
SG: '14 Bradley/'14 Lee/ '07 Allen
SF: '07 Pierce/'14 Green/'14 Wallace
PF: '14 Sullinger/'14 Bass/'07 Gomes
FC: '07 Jefferson/'07 Perkins/'07 Powe

[LarBrd33]

This team may be comparable in wins & losses to the 2007 team, but talent wise, this team is far superior. The difference will be that the Eastern Conference (and the NBA as a whole) is much stronger now than it was in 2007.

If I were making a team out of the 2...

PG: '14 Rondo/'07 Delonte/'07 Rondo
SG: '14 Bradley/'14 Lee/ '07 Allen
SF: '07 Pierce/'14 Green/'14 Wallace
PF: '14 Sullinger/'14 Bass/'07 Gomes
FC: '07 Jefferson/'07 Perkins/'07 Powe

'14 Bradley over '07 Tony Allen?  hmm... I dunno about that.  07 Tony Allen was better than Bradley when he played.


Also, Big Al was a PF in 07, so he'd be starting.  And 07 Perk would be starting at center probably.

Basically if everyone is healthy the only player starting from 2014 would be Rondo.  And you have to say "if everyone is healthy", because otherwise you might not even be able to include 2014 Rondo in the discussion... considering that he might miss a massive chunk of this upcoming season if he plays at all.

PG 2014 Rondo
SG 2007 Tony Allen
SF 2007 Pierce
PF 2007 Big Al
C 2007 Perk

[BballTim]

This team may be comparable in wins & losses to the 2007 team, but talent wise, this team is far superior. The difference will be that the Eastern Conference (and the NBA as a whole) is much stronger now than it was in 2007.

If I were making a team out of the 2...

PG: '14 Rondo/'07 Delonte/'07 Rondo
SG: '14 Bradley/'14 Lee/ '07 Allen
SF: '07 Pierce/'14 Green/'14 Wallace
PF: '14 Sullinger/'14 Bass/'07 Gomes
FC: '07 Jefferson/'07 Perkins/'07 Powe

'14 Bradley over '07 Tony Allen?  hmm... I dunno about that.  07 Tony Allen was better than Bradley when he played.


Also, Big Al was a PF in 07, so he'd be starting.  And 07 Perk would be starting at center probably.

Basically if everyone is healthy the only player starting from 2014 would be Rondo.  And you have to say "if everyone is healthy", because otherwise you might not even be able to include 2014 Rondo in the discussion... considering that he might miss a massive chunk of this upcoming season if he plays at all.

PG 2014 Rondo
SG 2007 Tony Allen
SF 2007 Pierce
PF 2007 Big Al
C 2007 Perk

  The "if everyone is healthy" obviously applies to both teams, not just Rondo but PP/TA and Perk (who had a bad yer due to plantar fascitis IIRC) for the 06-07 team.

[itsthatbradguy]

This team may be comparable in wins & losses to the 2007 team, but talent wise, this team is far superior. The difference will be that the Eastern Conference (and the NBA as a whole) is much stronger now than it was in 2007.

If I were making a team out of the 2...

PG: '14 Rondo/'07 Delonte/'07 Rondo
SG: '14 Bradley/'14 Lee/ '07 Allen
SF: '07 Pierce/'14 Green/'14 Wallace
PF: '14 Sullinger/'14 Bass/'07 Gomes
FC: '07 Jefferson/'07 Perkins/'07 Powe

'14 Bradley over '07 Tony Allen?  hmm... I dunno about that.  07 Tony Allen was better than Bradley when he played.


Also, Big Al was a PF in 07, so he'd be starting.  And 07 Perk would be starting at center probably.

Basically if everyone is healthy the only player starting from 2014 would be Rondo.  And you have to say "if everyone is healthy", because otherwise you might not even be able to include 2014 Rondo in the discussion... considering that he might miss a massive chunk of this upcoming season if he plays at all.

PG 2014 Rondo
SG 2007 Tony Allen
SF 2007 Pierce
PF 2007 Big Al
C 2007 Perk

I'm aware that Big Al played PF in '07, but I've got good enough PF's from '14 to build this hypothetical team without playing him there.

You also may remember '07 TA more fondly than I do. '14 Bradley is a better defender than '07 TA was, and neither of them are anything to be proud of on defense. I'll only give Bradley the SLIGHT edge because he has at least shown he can knock down a corner jumper in spurts.

[LilRip]

the team that finished in 06-07 is definitely worse than a healthy 13-14 squad. That said, if Rondo and Sully are held out, then unhealthy 06-07 is probably better than unhealthy 13-14.

everybody LOVED big Al in 06-07. he was touted as the next big thing. Why else were so many people broken up about trading him for KG back then? for comparisons sake, Jeff Green is nice but he wouldn't have been able to net us a 31-year old Paul Pierce.

and to answer the OP, i think the 06-07 squad - given time to develop - would have been competitive (i don't know if 'contender status'), although its success would have also been quite reliant on Ainge drafting another good player with his picks in those 2-4 years of mediocrity.

As an interesting sidenote, I don't think Rondo would have developed as quickly if he had not been part of the KG-culture Celtics.

[LooseCannon]

The 2006-2007 Celtics were 20-27 in games that Pierce played.  That rate translates to 34 wins in a full season.  That would be an unshocking total for the 2013-2014 Celtics.