olynyk/sully upfront duo potential to be like zbo/gasol?

[syfy9]

Also, I can't really say too much about Olynyk. People say that Gasol is 270, but he's also 28. Olynyk is 6 years younger than him and has around 6 more off-seasons to work out and get bigger.

KG came into the NBA weighing 220 lbs. He's listed as 254 right now.

If he gain 5-10 lbs of muscle every off-season, that builds up. He's listed at 238 lbs right now. Where will he be 6 years from now?

Granted I doubt he'll never have the same banger mentality of Gasol, I think he can still learn to be more aggressive on defense. There's hope.

Overall, I think they have the potential to be like Zbo/Gasol several years from now, if they stay together. Right now, Olynyk is a role player and Sully has to fight for minutes with Humps/Bass. Don't expect Zbo/Gasol numbers next season.

[pearljammer10]

I mean nice try with the comparison but me thinks you are forgetting that Gasol was the defensive player of the year last year. Olynk is a rookie not known for his defense. We can hope but all around its a stretch.

[Tr1boy]

What about zbo. Really that good defensively? The guy still looks out of shape.

If he can be a good nba defender utilizing his iq, motor more than anything so can sully and olynyk.

You can look out of shape but still be a good defender.

It's not about sheer speed in the NBA. The fastest players (sprinting) aren't always the best defenders. It's the quickest player.

Randolph moves his feet quickly, and is one of the NBA's best at positioning his body to give him the advantage.

Thank you. Hence olynyk and sully can be just as good. They are both smart and good at moving their feet.

How many times did sully get burnt last year in the 2nd half? When he was on the floor we were a plus team and it was no fluke. Not the best example for now but when olynyk was on the floor in the summer leagur games , we were on the plus side and some games he only scored 12 pts. Its the "impact" they can bring to the table.

So my question was what could happen if you now add them together on the court. So two pluses will turn into a minus?

The nba only has several standout defenders and others are mediocre or above avg. The mediocre ones are lazy, not smart and can only guard their man. The above avg ones cheat help without getting burnt, analyze tendencies, prevent their man from going right or take away space to shoot bc they cant drive.

Sully and olynyk have very good iq, motor, competitiveness to be good defenders in the nba. Wont b exactly like zbo/gasol but a "system" of something like them as they have lack of great athleticism or quickness in common

[moiso]

I think KO and Sully can be almost as good as Randolph and Randolph defensively.

[Galeto]

I can definitely see Sullinger and Olynyk being the Gasol and Randolph of the WCC.  Olynyk's already had a head start over Sullinger in terrorizing the elite prospects there but I'm sure Sullinger could catch up. 

[Tr1boy]

I think KO and Sully can be almost as good as Randolph and Randolph defensively.

Your right. And that wouldnt b bad at all. It could be worse like wilcox and wilcox.

Sullinger right now is a better defender than olynyk. And he wont take bs defense. The kid is a warrior, and at worse wont let other teams grab offensive rebounds at our own end.  Kelly has to get stronger to battle inside better , but as long as he denies space for others to power in shots close to the basket, we will b ok. He is already wicked at closing out space on guys trying to penetrate and gives an extra effort to block perimeter shots by other players he is not guarding.

We should b excited. Its not an everyday thing a team gets to put two all american 1st team front court players together on the court

[LilRip]

This thread is honestly quite ridiculous IMO. Im a fan of defense and this completely marginalizes the defensive impact of recognized "defensive" big men like Marc Gasol. I even saw a post earlier discounting the defensive impact KG and Chandler can have on a team. I really think having KG has spoiled some people with regards to D.

[Fan from VT]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

[nickagneta]

For pure types of players I would think Haslem/Bosh makes a better comparison.

[Tr1boy]

For pure types of players I would think Haslem/Bosh makes a better comparison.

Are you stating at best olynyk will b like haslem and olynyk like bosh? Bc i cant see that. Bosh is athletic and quick

I hope it could be like zbo/gasol but more likely okur/boozer

[nickagneta]

For pure types of players I would think Haslem/Bosh makes a better comparison.

Are you stating at best olynyk will b like haslem and olynyk like bosh? Bc i cant see that. Bosh is athletic and quick

I hope it could be like zbo/gasol but more likely okur/boozer

I say it because Haslem is a regular sized PF that plays inside and is pretty fundamentally sound as a player, like Sullinger. Bosh is a tall PF who has a more outside oriented offensive game and isn't the best defender the world has ever seen, like Olynyk could be someday, I hope. But Miami plays those two together, or did, a lot, and I think that will happen with Sullinger and Olynyk, if they both develop and work on their games.

[Tr1boy]

Can someone tell me how a game on both ends will/could go with Sully/Oly vs Hibbert/West or Haslem/Bosh??

How will these opposing pairs beat our young guys?

[Galeto]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that. 

[Galeto]

Can someone tell me how a game on both ends will/could go with Sully/Oly vs Hibbert/West or Haslem/Bosh??

How will these opposing pairs beat our young guys?

It's hard to say because Hibbert, West, Haslem and Bosh have not anchored a defense in the WCC.  Absent that relevant data, it's hard to put them above Olynyk as defenders. 

[syfy9]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.