Reality check: Rondo for Drummond idea. Never gonna happen. Drummond=untouchable

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

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According to A. Sherrod Blakely of Comcast Sports, the Pistons called about Rondo 3 weeks ago. Ainge said he wasn't interested.

[jambr380]

So good for them. In such case, I'd keep Rondo and I won't be particularly unhappy with that, either. This is not some sort of situation where we're begging Detroit to take him off of our hands.

My thoughts exactly.

Seriously, by the sounds of it, Drummond is the next coming of Jesus. He was the 9th overall pick and averaged 8 pts and 7.5 rbs over 21 minutes on a crappy team. So he has potential to be really good, so what? It's not like he proved beyond a shadow of doubt that he is the next Robinson or Zo. He showed potential. I have no problem holding on to our all-star pg with all the intangibles in the world. With a very crowded front court and no real starting pg, they better hope he realizes that potential while in 'win-now' mode...

[droopdog7]

If I'm detroit, I don't trade Drummond for Rondo either.

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I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner. And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.
 

I'm just gonna put some space between those last two thoughts of yours.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner.

And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.

hahahah. awesome -- TP.

as for Drummond, doubt he's untouchable, and i also doubt they'd trade him for Rondo.... but Joe Dumars isn't exactly Ernie Accorsi, so dare to dream...

[chenaren]

Pistons wanted to trade Knight and expiring contracts for Rondo. The Drummond trade idea has never on the table in my opinion. Moreover, it's not a secret that Rondo gets no respect from most of other fanbases. Proposing this kind of trade on their message boards would only get us embarrassed to be honest.

[bobbyv]

The Pistons won't be good for a long time, even with Josh Smith. I wouldn't care too much about what their fans think

[chambers]

If I'm detroit, I don't trade Drummond for Rondo either.

90% of the NBA fan base agrees. I mean the weird thing is that 100% of the NBA fan base watches the playoffs too and would have seen Rondo in his prime/best way more than Drummond as a rookie.

I'm assuming 90% of NBA GM's wouldn't trade Drummond for Rondo, but I feel the current Detroit situation of needing a PG would give them reason.

[Cman]

Reality check for Pistons fans: The Celtics aren't trying to get rid of Rondo for expiring contracts.

[BballTim]

If I'm detroit, I don't trade Drummond for Rondo either.

90% of the NBA fan base agrees. I mean the weird thing is that 100% of the NBA fan base watches the playoffs too and would have seen Rondo in his prime/best way more than Drummond as a rookie.

  People here watch Rondo on an almost game by game basis and a large percentage of the posters thought that the Celts were a better team without him until the playoffs started. In fact many posters who watched the playoffs still didn't change their opinion. How much more astute about Rondo would you expect fans of other teams to be than his own fan base?

[chambers]

If I'm detroit, I don't trade Drummond for Rondo either.

90% of the NBA fan base agrees. I mean the weird thing is that 100% of the NBA fan base watches the playoffs too and would have seen Rondo in his prime/best way more than Drummond as a rookie.

  People here watch Rondo on an almost game by game basis and a large percentage of the posters thought that the Celts were a better team without him until the playoffs started. In fact many posters who watched the playoffs still didn't change their opinion. How much more astute about Rondo would you expect fans of other teams to be than his own fan base?

Again, that suits your own argument, but the rest of the world doesn't agree with Celtics fans version of Rondo.
Arguments are strong and true...only played with hall of famers, can't shoot, and is coming off a major knee injury.
I think it's fair for them to question his worth with only 2 years on his deal and known attitude, showing up for big games when he chooses etc...

Pistons fans are overrating Drummond of course but there is a league wide consensus from fans, the media and 'insiders' that Drummond is a better asset than Rondo.

I don't know what else to tell you.
I would like our fans to step back, take off the green glasses and be reasonable about what the rest of the NBA and NBA's educated fans feel about such a trade.
They've spoken. It's harsh but it's pretty much true.

[Chris]

Maybe Drummond is untouchable, maybe he isn't.  We aren't going to find this out from talking with fans.

If Drummond is available, it will be because of what the Detroit front office knows about him, and sees behind the scenes.

Drummond had some real issues at Uconn, and came into the league with real questions about his mentality.  He had a decent rookie year, but if Detroit's front office has reason to believe he doesn't have the work ethic and drive to reach his potential, I could absolutely see them sell high on him now for a guy like Rondo.

[droopdog7]

Reality check for Pistons fans: The Celtics aren't trying to get rid of Rondo for expiring contracts.

This I agree with.  I would NOT trade Rondo for expiring contracts. 

HOWEVER, if trading Rondo could help us unload at least two of our other non-expiring contracts (e.g., Wallace and Bass), then I would be willing to listen.

[Eddie20]

I don't think Dumars is the biggest Rondo fan around. If he wouldn't do the trade below, when Rondo was 23, just had a great playoff run, and had more upside, then why trade a young big for an older Rondo coming off knee surgery?

July 22, 2009

The Celtics offered Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Boston general manager Danny Ainge and Detroit’s Joe Dumars never spoke, but rather the Celtics had a lower-level executive make the pitch to a Pistons official over the past weekend, league sources said. Detroit immediately rejected the idea, and it never advanced to the two top executives speaking about particulars.

[KGs Knee]

The fact that Detroit fans don't want to trade their hyped big men for Rondo isn't a surprise.

I'd also add that I don't think fan reaction indicates anything about whether or not a trade is likely to happen. GMs don't care what fans think, they care about the owners.

This.  All of this.

[connor]

Pistons fans need just as much of a reality check if they think Rondo can be had for a package that doesn't include one of their bigs.

I never was under the illusion that Drummond would be on the table (although I would expect Danny to start his negotiations with Drummond and work his way down), but there is no way in hell that I am trading Rondo to Detroit without getting back a package STARTING with Monroe and including at least another piece (either Knight or their expiring contracts swapped for one of our bloated ones).

There is no need for the Celtics to chase salary cap room by trading Rondo. That makes no sense. What are we going to do, trade Rondo for a worse PG and cap room? Why? So we can use that cap room to try and pursue free agents to come play with Brandon Knight? I don't think so.

Unless Dumars is 100% committed to trying to win now there is no real chance he moves Drummond for Rondo, but unless Detroit is willing to send us some young talent there is no way they are going to get Rondo. It's that simple.

Neither side has much impetus to make the move in my opinion, but if they really wanted to I think Monroe and Knight would be the package that has enough to interest Danny, while still letting the Pistons keep their phenom. I understand if they aren't interested (they've gotten very attached to Monroe over the last few seasons), but that is going to be the price. If they aren't up for that then thats fine, but they shouldn't expect Danny to just dump Rondo in their laps.