Reality check: Rondo for Drummond idea. Never gonna happen. Drummond=untouchable

[chambers]

I posted earlier about a potential Rondo for Drummond trade considering the rumors we'd heard/seen lately.
Basically I thought Detroit would take Rondo and Green after I thought to myself 'nah they wouldn't give up the 6'11" superfreak for a 6'1" PG coming off ACL surgery alone- lets add Green for their other rookie prospect and they have a true 2004 Pistons contender again- it would make it impossible for Dumars to say no'.

I then posted the idea here and it was a 50/50 split between C's fans here. I was shocked but again at only 50% for getting Drummond but I understand our homerism and the love for Rondo (he's a prodigy).

I thought Ainge had the upper hand and that Dumars would probably have to pull the trigger on such a deal that nets him Green AND Rondo. I mean the Pistons would be a contender for 4-5 years. Give up the Drummond potential that we may never see for Rondo and Green to make a serious contender with Greg Monroe and Josh Smith.

How Wrong I was.
I've posted the same question on the Real GM boards in 3 different sections.
1)The Celtics section
2)The Pistons section
3) General NBA trade section (where all NBA fans post trade ideas and judge them).

The result was a resounding NO *&$%! WAY! to moving Drummond in any kind of trade for Green and Rondo. Not even Rondo+Green for Drummond and Charlie V and their crappy contracts.
That's how good the hardcore RealGM fanbase think Drummond is going to be.
It's also a gutcheck to Celtics fans to remind us how much we may be overrating our own two best players.
There wasn't one person in the General NBA trades section that thought it was a good deal for the Pistons to send Rondo+Green for Drummond+Caldwell Pope. Not one.

Same in the Pistons section and you can imagine the lovely Pistons fans wollowing in the stink they've suffered for the last 6 years at the suggestion that the Celtics would offer their All Star point guard and Sarting 6'9" rapidly improving swing man Jeff Green. They let the 'Whiney Celtics homer' have it after I suggested that Drummond held potential, and potential only' to bait them into their true feelings

Makes me think about how much potential is worth to teams that have suffered. I mean they have SUCKED for 6 years and they still won't give up Drummond for Rondo and Green.
I guess this is a good way to point out how much the 'potential' in the 2014 draft is viewed by the rest of the league.
We have zero chance of getting a top 5 pick for Rondo and Green I suppose. To get a top 5 pick we will have to unload them and tank our way there ourselves. I still think Danny wants to unload them but it won't be for Drummond. Perhaps Monroe and Knight and Charlie V. Or another team most probably.

Anyway, take a look for yourselves.
No way this is happening. Not a chance in hell.
Maybe Greg Monroe for Rondo if we took back a load of bad salary but Drummond is untouchable in their eyes.
Here's the links to each forum..
1) General NBA trade talk/ideas
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1264209&start=15

2)Detroit Pistons fans http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?
f=14&t=1264205

3)Celtics boards
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1264208&sid=b504edb5a0a4c02e399c250ae44bd28b

[Monkhouse]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

[chambers]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

[kozlodoev]

So good for them. In such case, I'd keep Rondo and I won't be particularly unhappy with that, either. This is not some sort of situation where we're begging Detroit to take him off of our hands.

[Fafnir]

The fact that Detroit fans don't want to trade their hyped big men for Rondo isn't a surprise.

I'd also add that I don't think fan reaction indicates anything about whether or not a trade is likely to happen. GMs don't care what fans think, they care about the owners.

[Monkhouse]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have said that when Rondo was averaging a triple double in the playoffs.

People want to diss Rondo. The fact of the matter is even our own members diss him, saying he's terrible, overrated, hated, stat paddin', and can't score. And yet he averaged a triple double versus the Bulls, scored efficiently, made Perkins who he is in Boston, and is a FIERCE competitor. You won't get another PG like that.

Who else would play with one arm? Rose? Yeah get out of here. CP3? He'd complain and moan about it for a week.

 

[Future Celtics Owner]

I could care less what the fans think. remember they are the same fans that thought Darko was a good pic, the same fans that embarrassed their city with THE BRAWL. not hating on Detroit fans..

Rondo is a CHAMPIONSHIP pg PERIOD, and a hell of a lot better since that season. He is also the best rebounding pg in the league, but anyway, we know Rondo.

IMHO I see the trade working out for both teams, especially the Pistons

[Monkhouse]

Besides, who cares what fans think? The GM is the one making the decision, and not the fans. The Detroit Pistons have also made some dumb decisions too.

[Boris Badenov]

I posted earlier about a potential Rondo for Drummond trade considering the rumors we'd heard/seen lately.
Basically I thought Detroit would take Rondo and Green after I thought to myself 'nah they wouldn't give up the 6'11" superfreak for a 6'1" PG coming off ACL surgery alone- lets add Green for their other rookie prospect and they have a true 2004 Pistons contender again- it would make it impossible for Dumars to say no'.

I then posted the idea here and it was a 50/50 split between C's fans here. I was shocked but again at only 50% for getting Drummond but I understand our homerism and the love for Rondo (he's a prodigy).

I thought Ainge had the upper hand and that Dumars would probably have to pull the trigger on such a deal that nets him Green AND Rondo. I mean the Pistons would be a contender for 4-5 years. Give up the Drummond potential that we may never see for Rondo and Green to make a serious contender with Greg Monroe and Josh Smith.

How Wrong I was.
I've posted the same question on the Real GM boards in 3 different sections.
1)The Celtics section
2)The Pistons section
3) General NBA trade section (where all NBA fans post trade ideas and judge them).

The result was a resounding NO *&$%! WAY! to moving Drummond in any kind of trade for Green and Rondo. Not even Rondo+Green for Drummond and Charlie V and their crappy contracts.
That's how good the hardcore RealGM fanbase think Drummond is going to be.
It's also a gutcheck to Celtics fans to remind us how much we may be overrating our own two best players.
There wasn't one person in the General NBA trades section that thought it was a good deal for the Pistons to send Rondo+Green for Drummond+Caldwell Pope. Not one.

Same in the Pistons section and you can imagine the lovely Pistons fans wollowing in the stink they've suffered for the last 6 years at the suggestion that the Celtics would offer their All Star point guard and Sarting 6'9" rapidly improving swing man Jeff Green. They let the 'Whiney Celtics homer' have it after I suggested that Drummond held potential, and potential only' to bait them into their true feelings

Makes me think about how much potential is worth to teams that have suffered. I mean they have SUCKED for 6 years and they still won't give up Drummond for Rondo and Green.
I guess this is a good way to point out how much the 'potential' in the 2014 draft is viewed by the rest of the league.
We have zero chance of getting a top 5 pick for Rondo and Green I suppose. To get a top 5 pick we will have to unload them and tank our way there ourselves. I still think Danny wants to unload them but it won't be for Drummond. Perhaps Monroe and Knight and Charlie V. Or another team most probably.

Anyway, take a look for yourselves.
No way this is happening. Not a chance in hell.
Maybe Greg Monroe for Rondo if we took back a load of bad salary but Drummond is untouchable in their eyes.
Here's the links to each forum..
1) General NBA trade talk/ideas
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1264209&start=15

2)Detroit Pistons fans http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?
f=14&t=1264205

3)Celtics boards
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1264208&sid=b504edb5a0a4c02e399c250ae44bd28b

TP for pursuing this - definitely shows a different perspective.

I agree with others that the opinions of fans are not definitive, but they're not meaningless either.

On a semi-related note, I'd love to know whether Danny offered Rondo in that Noel deal, and NOP preferred Holiday.

[ronaldo943]

Reality check: Fans are not GMs

This has nothing to do with Rondo or Drummond this has to do with how you based it off of fans opinions. Now because Charlotte's fan thinks he is untouchable and RealGM fans think he is untouchable that must mean he is.

At the end of the day fans are not GMs sure they might think of themselves as the GM of their favorite team, but they're not. I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread a it was going to be pointless, but unfortunately I did.

[BballTim]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner. And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.
 

[Vox_Populi]

So good for them. In such case, I'd keep Rondo and I won't be particularly unhappy with that, either. This is not some sort of situation where we're begging Detroit to take him off of our hands.

My thoughts exactly.

[Boris Badenov]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner. And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.
 

I'm just gonna put some space between those last two thoughts of yours.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner.

And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.

[goCeltics]

i don't think we would get drummond, but monroe + knight is landable, i wouldn't mind giving them green and lee too, if the pistons amensty charlie, rondo + green + lee for monroe + knight +stuckey would work under the trade rules cos they have the cap space, think they the pistons would still have 3 mill to sign a backup center

i generally against these rondo trades but if unload green in the same deal, it puts us firmly in the bottom lottery area that plus any young talent we land is enough for me in a deal

Also what people are forgetting is whomever we land in the 2014 draft is be going to be 19 years and is going to take 2-3 years to develop, like durrant, so you may as well suck for those years and do a slow rebuild like pressti did and land other top picks at the same time. For that you need cap space and playing time

[BballTim]

I guarantee you had Rondo not been injured with ACL tear.

Pistons fans would be drooling and begging to get him.

All I can say. Every blog fan supporting their team will be homers. So keep that in perspective.

No they wouldn't. Half of them said that. Zero chance I'm afraid. You don't trade bigs for smalls. Even if the bigs have no post moves, are turnover prone and have back issues. I understand their position but I think Celtics fans don't understand how much we over rate a 6'"1 PG in a  big mans league.
I mean I understand it when you think about how many teams have won a championship on a team built around their point guard. I can't think of one after Isiah Thomas.
Even in the general NBA section they agreed 'no chance in hell'. haha.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner. And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.
 

I'm just gonna put some space between those last two thoughts of yours.

  First of all you'd be a fool to put any stock into what people on a message board say. It's pretty much unrelated to reality, and many of the people there are easily influenced by people who spout nonsense but do so in an authoritative manner.

And as for building a team around Rondo, he's led one team to the nba finals and another team to the ecf. The odds on Drummond doing that in his career probably aren't more than 50/50.

  Cool, I guess. It's the equivalent of seeing your posts in slo-mo replay.