WHY YOU NEED A TOP PICK TO COMPETE (hey, but only 33 out of 34x!!)

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

  This upcoming draft is the best draft ever. A #5 pick in the 2007 draft is probably only worth a #15-#20 pickin the much-heralded 2014 draft. I guess tanking is unnecessary.

there are superstars in this draft at the top. the middle will be roleplayers.

do you want to be the atlanta hawks or do you want to be OKC?

[BballTim]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

  This upcoming draft is the best draft ever. A #5 pick in the 2007 draft is probably only worth a #15-#20 pickin the much-heralded 2014 draft. I guess tanking is unnecessary.

there are superstars in this draft at the top. the middle will be roleplayers.

do you want to be the atlanta hawks or do you want to be OKC?

  Do you want to be the Kings or the Wizards? Because that's much more likely than being OKC.

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

  This upcoming draft is the best draft ever. A #5 pick in the 2007 draft is probably only worth a #15-#20 pickin the much-heralded 2014 draft. I guess tanking is unnecessary.

there are superstars in this draft at the top. the middle will be roleplayers.

do you want to be the atlanta hawks or do you want to be OKC?

  Do you want to be the Kings or the Wizards? Because that's much more likely than being OKC.

well no, because the kings and wizards do not have an elite GM like we do. if you think danny's drafting/trading/managing ability is the same as the kings and wizards, well thats a joke.

[BballTim]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

  This upcoming draft is the best draft ever. A #5 pick in the 2007 draft is probably only worth a #15-#20 pickin the much-heralded 2014 draft. I guess tanking is unnecessary.

there are superstars in this draft at the top. the middle will be roleplayers.

do you want to be the atlanta hawks or do you want to be OKC?

  Do you want to be the Kings or the Wizards? Because that's much more likely than being OKC.

well no, because the kings and wizards do not have an elite GM like we do. if you think danny's drafting/trading/managing ability is the same as the kings and wizards, well thats a joke.

  You have to understand, there's a difference between a good gm and magic. Do you somehow think Danny's skill extends to influencing lottery results?

[Vox_Populi]

do you want to be the atlanta hawks or do you want to be OKC?

Wow.

[Spilling Green Dye]

While I am someone who wants the Celtics to make getting a top pick their #1 priority, I also think they can do it w/o tanking.  You can play young guys a lot, and work on becoming much better at specific plays & fundamentals all while not having a heavy focus on winning games.   

The issue that I have is with the logic that getting a top pick is not the fastest and/or most reliable way to build a championship.  It very clearly has been the best route in the league, with the rare exception of 1 or 2 desired locations for free agents (i.e  Lakers).

The Celtics need maximum value this year.  That value will come through obtaining a top draft pick, the development & showcasing of current young talent (i.e. Bradley, etc), and expiring contracts.   Getting a bunch of mediocre free agents and fighting for the 8th seed will not yield the value that this team needs to assemble a championship caliber squad.

[bfrombleacher]

ALL CAPS MAKES IT MORE CONVINCING!

[guava_wrench]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

ill answer your question in short form:

follow the OKC strategy.

1. Tank
2 draft stud.
3.continue tank.
4.draft another stud.
5.contend for the next decade

free agents want to play for contenders.

"OKC got lucky, why dont the bobcats and kings do this"

OKC is not lucky, they have a great GM with good scounting ability unlike the bobcats and kings. Guess which other team has a great GM that would succeed with okc strategy?

OKC got lucky in the Durant lottery, but they made a gutsy pick with Westbrook.

[guava_wrench]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

Not really. The better draft position got us Ray Allen. It wasn't Wally or West that convinced Seattle to do the deal.

Ray Allen helped get us KG.

If we had the 16 pick in the draft, it is possible neither trade happens.

[guava_wrench]

While I am someone who wants the Celtics to make getting a top pick their #1 priority, I also think they can do it w/o tanking.  You can play young guys a lot, and work on becoming much better at specific plays & fundamentals all while not having a heavy focus on winning games.   

The issue that I have is with the logic that getting a top pick is not the fastest and/or most reliable way to build a championship.  It very clearly has been the best route in the league, with the rare exception of 1 or 2 desired locations for free agents (i.e  Lakers).

The Celtics need maximum value this year.  That value will come through obtaining a top draft pick, the development & showcasing of current young talent (i.e. Bradley, etc), and expiring contracts.   Getting a bunch of mediocre free agents and fighting for the 8th seed will not yield the value that this team needs to assemble a championship caliber squad.

Getting the top pick when there is a Lebron or a Duncan guarantees success for as long as you can keep them on your team. Getting a top pick in a weak draft doesn't help much.

Of course, the upcoming draft looks to be a strong one.

[Yogi]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

Not really. The better draft position got us Ray Allen. It wasn't Wally or West that convinced Seattle to do the deal.

Ray Allen helped get us KG.

If we had the 16 pick in the draft, it is possible neither trade happens.

We "tanked" for the number one or number two pick.  We got unlucky and landed neither.  If we did not tank, we would have a similar pick anyway.  Seattle might have done a similar deal around a slightly lower pick.  But my point is that all of this is speculation. 

Is the number 5 pick a piece of what lead to us getting a championship?  Yes.  So were many other pieces we already had.  To say that tanking got us a championship is ridiculous.  Besides people do not realize how LUCKY we were that players like KG and Ray became available at that right moment.  There aren't two compatible players of that caliber available for trade all the time. 

[BballTim]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

ill answer your question in short form:

follow the OKC strategy.

1. Tank
2 draft stud.
3.continue tank.
4.draft another stud.
5.contend for the next decade

free agents want to play for contenders.

"OKC got lucky, why dont the bobcats and kings do this"

OKC is not lucky, they have a great GM with good scounting ability unlike the bobcats and kings. Guess which other team has a great GM that would succeed with okc strategy?

OKC got lucky in the Durant lottery, but they made a gutsy pick with Westbrook.

  The Durant pick wasn't luck, it was a sign of tremendous skill by the GM. Most teams wouldn't have wanted a player as unheralded as KD, especially the Bobcats or Kings. You don't win lotteries with luck, for crying out loud.

[BballTim]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

Not really. The better draft position got us Ray Allen. It wasn't Wally or West that convinced Seattle to do the deal.

Ray Allen helped get us KG.

If we had the 16 pick in the draft, it is possible neither trade happens.

  It's possible they do with a future 1st going to Seattle.

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

Not really. The better draft position got us Ray Allen. It wasn't Wally or West that convinced Seattle to do the deal.

Ray Allen helped get us KG.

If we had the 16 pick in the draft, it is possible neither trade happens.

  It's possible they do with a future 1st going to Seattle.

you got to be kidding me if you think they would have accepted that.

a future 1st that could potentially be pick 30, or pick 5. Hard decision.

[Yogi]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

Not really. The better draft position got us Ray Allen. It wasn't Wally or West that convinced Seattle to do the deal.

Ray Allen helped get us KG.

If we had the 16 pick in the draft, it is possible neither trade happens.

  It's possible they do with a future 1st going to Seattle.

you got to be kidding me if you think they would have accepted that.

a future 1st that could potentially be pick 30, or pick 5. Hard decision.

Yes because Ray Allen coming off surgery would make the worst team in the league the best team in the league.  Or maybe they would've taken the 5th, 6th or 7th pick we would have gotten if we didn't (allegedly) tank.  We were just that bad.