WHY YOU NEED A TOP PICK TO COMPETE (hey, but only 33 out of 34x!!)

[lightspeed5]

the anti-tankers have such poor weak arguments

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket for starters (the 2014 draft)! I would build up assets and work from there! So are you also saying tanking is the only way to get a top pick? We can get a bunch of really good players and get a top pick through trade! We can also trade draft picks and pay to move up. There are many ways to get a good player. How many of those champions come from teams having those picks from being bad? If there is other ways besides tanking, I'd rather go in that direction. I don't care if one way is the more proven/best way, losing on purpose is always stupid to me... people would kill to get out there and compete, MOST people don't want to see their team out there losing on purpose! With all the picks we have now, we can buy our way into a top 5 pick!

No tanking Celtics! Let's Go!!!!

[lightspeed5]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

ill answer your question in short form:

follow the OKC strategy.

1. Tank
2 draft stud.
3.continue tank.
4.draft another stud.
5.contend for the next decade

free agents want to play for contenders.

"OKC got lucky, why dont the bobcats and kings do this"

OKC is not lucky, they have a great GM with good scounting ability unlike the bobcats and kings. Guess which other team has a great GM that would succeed with okc strategy?

[lightspeed5]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket for starters (the 2014 draft)!

what eggs? you assume that there is any risk to begin with. tanking this year is virtually risk-free because its such a deep draft AND the main reason is WE ARE NOT TITLE CONTENDERS.

[lightspeed5]

Your list proves that you need a top tier player to win a championship, and that these players almost always drafted in the top 5.

The only way to get a top tier player is by trade, draft, or free agency.

Historically speaking, free agency is not a valid option for the Celtics, so therefore we have to resort to drafting & trades.

A trade for a top tier player would have to include a very high draft pick.  Similarly, as your list proves, a draft pick should be top 5 to stand a reasonable chance to become a top tier player.

THEREFORE, the only way the Celtics can acquire a top tier player and contend for a championship is to have a top 5 draft pick (to be used or traded).  I don't get how so many people in this thread think that having a draft pick in the 12 to 24 range will somehow eventually lead to a Championship caliber team.

this. this. this.

[Yogi]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans. 

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

[Yogi]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to. 

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Ok, so for those of you who don't think aiming for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft is the way to go, then what would you do?  What free agents would you target and expect to get?  What would your plan be if they don't come here?  HOW would you build value on this team?

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket for starters (the 2014 draft)!

what eggs? you assume that there is any risk to begin with. tanking this year is virtually risk-free because its such a deep draft AND the main reason is WE ARE NOT TITLE CONTENDERS.

There is risk, like making your players and coach that you have, not want to be here! Then there is no guarantee that even if we do "tank" we will be bad enough to be a top 4 pick team! Then the draft suppose to be full of top talent is NOTHING more than speculation! When has Wiggins said he is a one and done athlete? How do you know the guys projected to come out will? Bunch of speculation and assumptions just so you can justify intentionally tanking! It's a garbage move! If we lose because we aren't good enough so be it! But I will never understand or agree with losing on purpose! Then you act like you know for sure that we will get a franchise player just b/c we get a top 5 pick ignoring the fact that there are more top 5 busts/avg players than there are franchise players. People thought Noel was a number 1 pick or at worse top 3, how'd that work out? Again, anything could happen that ends up making your top pick just another average player! Then you end up sucking for decades! Our team isn't bad enough to get a top pick anyway, RR isn't going to tank and we have too many guys who go out there and give their all regardless! If we were trying to tank DA chose the wrong guys to do it with! Then add on to it that you need more than one good player to win it... how are you going to do that after the good players are ran out of town b/c they are tired of sucking to try and get a franchise player who may never be good enough to actually get you a chip! Not all franchise players win championships!

No matter how you slice it, people have told you many times that tanking isn't the only way, and just because it is a way doesn't mean it's the best way! You can CAPS that all you want, doesn't make your opinion anymore right than everyone else!

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

[Yogi]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship. 

[lightspeed5]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

Not one person is arguing whether we want a top pick or not, we are arguing over your method on how to obtain said pick!

[BballTim]

the anti-tankers have such poor weak arguments

  It's called "responding in kind".

[BballTim]

Draft, develop, deal, repeat.  All the time, try to win as many games as possible.  Tanking is neither good for the locker room nor the fans.

tanking in 07 was good for the fans. it brought us a championship 1 year later.

There is much speculation and unjustifiable leaps of logic in that sentence which makes it difficult to be understood let alone responded to.

the general consensus is we tanked that year for durant.

1.  Well there is a lot of rumors and speculation we tanked that year.
2.  I am not sure how anyone can say that season was good for the fans.  Arguably the worst season in Celtics history.
3.  To say tanking bought us a championship is inaccurate.  The alleged tanking only bought us the 5th overall pick (which we probably could have gotten even without the alleged tanking).  That was one asset combined with many other assets which brought us Ray and KG.  Danny drafting and keeping Rondo, Allen, Perk, Baby, Powe, great coaching by Doc, and sacrifice by the Big 3, full year avoiding injuries and signing key FAs brought us a championship.

that 5th pick was the main chip that got us ray, which in turn was the main chip to persuade KG to come....


danny needs a high pick and hes going to get it.

  This upcoming draft is the best draft ever. A #5 pick in the 2007 draft is probably only worth a #15-#20 pickin the much-heralded 2014 draft. I guess tanking is unnecessary.