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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2013, 12:52:23 AM »

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If Pressey ends being similar to Jannero Pargo and Fab Melo goes on to a career resembling that of Disagana Diop, who would you rather have?
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2013, 01:01:13 AM »

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if he keeps working really hard---Fab will be ready to contribute, by the time he's Old enough to retire.

he should be an usher at a Movie Theater....he stinks.
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 01:09:53 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 01:16:06 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

Maybe it's the basement of the old man's house from UP!!!

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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 01:38:22 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

The difference between Wallace and Melo is that Wallace always had a skill...well two.  He could always rebound and he always played with effort.  Melo doesn't do anything well other than maybe taking charges.  He rebounds like a guard, has no real offense, and has no real defensive effort.

If Melo was flying around out there and just making mistakes I'd say, fine let him have another year to learn the game.  But it isn't his knowledge of the game that is the problem, it is his drive.

Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2013, 02:01:18 AM »

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What you see from him now is as good as it's going to get. Burn em. We had no problem dumping JJJ, why can't we do the same for him? Actually I'd rather have JJJ then Fab. He is just plain ole horrible and if any one has watched the summer league games this week you would have to be blind NOT to agree. I don't care what he did in the D-league last year. So he had a few decent games. If you look at his coordination, heck look at his walk and you can tell he's just a huge goof. Nice guy...gentle giant, but not a basketball player.
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2013, 02:02:40 AM »

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if he keeps working really hard---Fab will be ready to contribute, by the time he's Old enough to retire.

he should be an usher at a Movie Theater....he stinks.

Don't know about you, but Usher does not stink.... or did you mean...oh nevermind. ;D

Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2013, 02:25:53 AM »

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What you see from him now is as good as it's going to get. Burn em. We had no problem dumping JJJ, why can't we do the same for him?

JJJ wasn't waived by the Celtics, he was traded.  The Rockets waived him, but they had a small payroll.  The Celtics are simply too close to the luxury tax threshold to outright cut a guy like Melo and take the cap hit.  They're close enough that it might impact the team's ability to bring in Vitor Faverani.  I could see the Celtics trying to dump the contract of a guy like Jordan Crawford (just the right size) so that the team could sign Faverani using part of the MLE.
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2013, 04:12:41 AM »

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Greg Stiemsma`s blocking plus Jason Collins Screening? If he gets there soon I can agree with sparing him the axe. I am patient guy tho
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2013, 05:07:32 AM »

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He wasn't a good college player what the heck do people expect?  Only blatant Big East guys thought he was good, I think Vitor is a clear indicator that we have soured on Melo.   But bigs take longer to develop and he is still new to the game.   I think we give him 3 years.   I have seen only slight improvements to his offensive game and he has worked on his physique.  His D has improved slightly too.  His rebounding and hands are horrible.   

I'd usually say a guy like this is a product of his college system but he  was a 7.8PPG and 5.8 RPG.   The only area he excelled at was BPG at 2.9.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/players.asp?id=97405

He was poor to mediocre college player to begin with.

Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2013, 05:08:22 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

And dont forget the celtics own perk. Perk was terrible, absolutely useless at the nba level for years.  No offense, foul prone, no speed or feel for the game. And don't even get me started about the poor hands he had.

But this is how you get servicible centers on the cheap. Draft a big project then be patient. He becomes the teams's 15th man and practices a lot. After three years, THEN you pass final judgement.

Now is the perfect time for the celtics to gamble on Melo. Wins mean nothing. So what if Iverson or another stiff replaces melo? The celtics will stink anyway. But you can see exactly where iverson's ceiling is located, very low.

Melo is a high risk, low cost gamble. If if if melo plays to his ceiling he will be much better than Iverson could ever be. As the 15th man, imagine if melo actually develops to his potential. There were moments in the D league where he simply tore up the league with blocks. Look at his offense now and you will see it is better than last year. He boxes out now better than he used to do. Use your own eyes.

Melo is still wildly inconsistent, but there are flashes of ability. Melo is a gamble worth taking. Patience paid off with perk. Let's hope it pays off with melo as well.
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Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2013, 05:39:44 AM »

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he's in year two of a 3-year project development. End of the bench + Rock Lobsters for him is the way to go.

Iverson is probably almost at the top of his game, he should get the minutes to be showcased, or go to Europe to save the roster spot.

Faverani can score & rebound in Europe, but bigs here are not very athletic. I'd see him as another asset to future trades, not as a player for the future.

And talking about the Summer League, the worst thing to watch has been the terrible guard play. Pressey has shown good things here and there, but the best playmaker has been Kelly Olynyk. I don't get all the beating on Fab, while Pressey and the rest of the guards are getting away with that stinker.

Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2013, 06:31:54 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

And dont forget the celtics own perk. Perk was terrible, absolutely useless at the nba level for years.  No offense, foul prone, no speed or feel for the game. And don't even get me started about the poor hands he had.

But this is how you get servicible centers on the cheap. Draft a big project then be patient. He becomes the teams's 15th man and practices a lot. After three years, THEN you pass final judgement.

Now is the perfect time for the celtics to gamble on Melo. Wins mean nothing. So what if Iverson or another stiff replaces melo? The celtics will stink anyway. But you can see exactly where iverson's ceiling is located, very low.

Melo is a high risk, low cost gamble. If if if melo plays to his ceiling he will be much better than Iverson could ever be. As the 15th man, imagine if melo actually develops to his potential. There were moments in the D league where he simply tore up the league with blocks. Look at his offense now and you will see it is better than last year. He boxes out now better than he used to do. Use your own eyes.

Melo is still wildly inconsistent, but there are flashes of ability. Melo is a gamble worth taking. Patience paid off with perk. Let's hope it pays off with melo as well.

I think Iverson's almost a lock to be a Perk-caliber center within a couple of years.  Melo could help with tanking this year, but is a long shot to pull it all together.

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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2013, 06:35:26 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

And dont forget the celtics own perk. Perk was terrible, absolutely useless at the nba level for years.  No offense, foul prone, no speed or feel for the game. And don't even get me started about the poor hands he had.

But this is how you get servicible centers on the cheap. Draft a big project then be patient. He becomes the teams's 15th man and practices a lot. After three years, THEN you pass final judgement.

Now is the perfect time for the celtics to gamble on Melo. Wins mean nothing. So what if Iverson or another stiff replaces melo? The celtics will stink anyway. But you can see exactly where iverson's ceiling is located, very low.

Melo is a high risk, low cost gamble. If if if melo plays to his ceiling he will be much better than Iverson could ever be. As the 15th man, imagine if melo actually develops to his potential. There were moments in the D league where he simply tore up the league with blocks. Look at his offense now and you will see it is better than last year. He boxes out now better than he used to do. Use your own eyes.

Melo is still wildly inconsistent, but there are flashes of ability. Melo is a gamble worth taking. Patience paid off with perk. Let's hope it pays off with melo as well.

I think Iverson's almost a lock to be a Perk-caliber center within a couple of years.  Melo could help with tanking this year, but is a long shot to pull it all together.

Perk at his best was KG lite without offense.

He improved the entire team's D with his scrowl.

And I'm lukewarm with the Jeff Green trade.

Perk's being underrated here in my opinion.

Re: Fab Melo's ceiling is the basement
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2013, 07:11:50 AM »

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The problem is that NBA centers don't grow on trees.  Especially those that can defend at the NBA level.

While some of you are ready to write the man off 1 year after he's been drafted, remember how many teams gave Ben Wallace a very short look early in his career (including Boston) and dropped him.

I'm not saying I have confidence that he'll turn out to be even a serviceable rotational player, but center is the most difficult defensive position to play in the NBA.  Even if it's a 10% chance he pans out, you're taking a 10% chance on striking gold.

And dont forget the celtics own perk. Perk was terrible, absolutely useless at the nba level for years.  No offense, foul prone, no speed or feel for the game. And don't even get me started about the poor hands he had.

But this is how you get servicible centers on the cheap. Draft a big project then be patient. He becomes the teams's 15th man and practices a lot. After three years, THEN you pass final judgement.

Now is the perfect time for the celtics to gamble on Melo. Wins mean nothing. So what if Iverson or another stiff replaces melo? The celtics will stink anyway. But you can see exactly where iverson's ceiling is located, very low.

Melo is a high risk, low cost gamble. If if if melo plays to his ceiling he will be much better than Iverson could ever be. As the 15th man, imagine if melo actually develops to his potential. There were moments in the D league where he simply tore up the league with blocks. Look at his offense now and you will see it is better than last year. He boxes out now better than he used to do. Use your own eyes.

Melo is still wildly inconsistent, but there are flashes of ability. Melo is a gamble worth taking. Patience paid off with perk. Let's hope it pays off with melo as well.

I hate the Perk comparison for Melo. Perk was younger, and even in his bad years he showed fantastic per-minute rebounding and defensive potential (more concrete defensive potential than melo), so it was easier to extrapolate usefulness.