We are going to suck for a long time.

[gpap]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

we were going to lose to the knicks regardless. having rondo would have brought it to 6 or 7 games. kg was playing on cortisone shots

  We would have made it back to the ECF with a healthy Rondo.

I think we would've lost to Indiana in 6 games anyway, even if we got past New York Knicks. Even with a healthy Rondo, I don't see Pierce and Garnett hanging on much longer. They'd have been worn out. David West and Roy Hibbert would've abused whoever was in our frontcourt. Paul George would have wasted the 35 year old small-forward... 

We matched-up quite well with Indiana, this "abuse" you're talking about is completely baseless.

No it's not. Indiana took Miami to 7 games. What do you think they would've done to the Celtics, if they got by the Knicks? Here's a clue: There's a broom involved.

[steefp2]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

we were going to lose to the knicks regardless. having rondo would have brought it to 6 or 7 games. kg was playing on cortisone shots

  We would have made it back to the ECF with a healthy Rondo.

I think we would've lost to Indiana in 6 games anyway, even if we got past New York Knicks. Even with a healthy Rondo, I don't see Pierce and Garnett hanging on much longer. They'd have been worn out. David West and Roy Hibbert would've abused whoever was in our frontcourt. Paul George would have wasted the 35 year old small-forward... 

We matched-up quite well with Indiana, this "abuse" you're talking about is completely baseless.

As is your contention that we would've gotten to the ECF with rondo. Fact is, most of the things said on message boards (especially those centered around sports) are baseless. For the most part we debate our opinions and interpretations of news and statistics we get elsewhere. This is not to say those debates or opinions don't have merit but we have to be aware we're not holding scientific studies here. Baseless, quite frankly, doesn't hold much meaning in this context.

[steefp2]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

Ya I mean I think anyone who posts on here realizes that we didnt. What's your point?

My point is that it's a big fallacy to extrapolate a repeat performance in the future based on our performance during the last playoffs. It simply makes no sense.

Exactly, over the past couple of years, we've always been hit with injuries. That is for some part, the nature of an older team. 99% chance this would've happened again. Even if not, we wouldn't have been good enough anyway.

Look everyone here would prefer being a contender next season again. Most of us just don't think that was achievable.

Agreed in a perfect world we would be putting the 2008 team. But the reality is we no longer had the peices to compete for a championship and DA cut bait before it was too late to aquire assets for his older players.

Other than, you know, it was our young guys who were lost for the season this time around.

It's true that predicting the future success on past failure is an inaccurate process but this is not solely the case here. We do, for a large part, reference the last playoff series but also the trajectory of older stars that have gone before Pierce and Garnett, throughout the history of the NBA. Furthermore, we account for the decline of said player during the last couple of years.

Pierce and Garnett were not going to get any better or younger. I think we can all agree on this. So in order to achieve a different outcome next time around we would have to have new players making an impact or other players on the roster having a larger one. Yes, a healthy Rondo would've made a big difference; the difference in opinion lies in how much so.

And I know it was our younger players suffering injuries this year; this happens. Not systematically but it does happen. This does not invalidate my point. In fact; accounting for this occurence coupled with an increased likelyhood of injuries with (our) older players is what I believe makes or made our chances of having another succesfull playoff run with that team unlikely.

[ABOS (A bit of Sanity)]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

Ya I mean I think anyone who posts on here realizes that we didnt. What's your point?

My point is that it's a big fallacy to extrapolate a repeat performance in the future based on our performance during the last playoffs. It simply makes no sense.

Exactly, over the past couple of years, we've always been hit with injuries. That is for some part, the nature of an older team. 99% chance this would've happened again. Even if not, we wouldn't have been good enough anyway.

Look everyone here would prefer being a contender next season again. Most of us just don't think that was achievable.

Agreed in a perfect world we would be putting the 2008 team. But the reality is we no longer had the peices to compete for a championship and DA cut bait before it was too late to aquire assets for his older players.

Other than, you know, it was our young guys who were lost for the season this time around.

Your completely missing the point of my original post. My point wasnt tht this team couldn't be competitive if it stayed healthy. In context it was responding to te doom and gloom of the first post. I was simply trying to say that I can hold my hat on the fact the moves we are making could set us up for years to come rather than one last desperate attempt to suck the last few drops out of the well.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

we were going to lose to the knicks regardless. having rondo would have brought it to 6 or 7 games. kg was playing on cortisone shots

  We would have made it back to the ECF with a healthy Rondo.

I think we would've lost to Indiana in 6 games anyway, even if we got past New York Knicks. Even with a healthy Rondo, I don't see Pierce and Garnett hanging on much longer. They'd have been worn out. David West and Roy Hibbert would've abused whoever was in our frontcourt. Paul George would have wasted the 35 year old small-forward... 

We matched-up quite well with Indiana, this "abuse" you're talking about is completely baseless.

As is your contention that we would've gotten to the ECF with rondo. Fact is, most of the things said on message boards (especially those centered around sports) are baseless. For the most part we debate our opinions and interpretations of news and statistics we get elsewhere. This is not to say those debates or opinions don't have merit but we have to be aware we're not holding scientific studies here. Baseless, quite frankly, doesn't hold much meaning in this context.

Nothing in what Indiana has done suggests that this abuse you're talking about has any merit to it. I don't know how we would've fared and what the result might have been. I do know that we wouldn't have been an easy out, and in fact, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Rondo is quite a difference maker in the playoffs, a top performer type of player. So no, not entirely baseless to suggest that having him during the playoffs could've altered this team's fortunes last playoffs... in particular when you consider that Doc for some reason though that playing Avery Bradley as a PG was a good idea.

[steefp2]

Nothing in what Indiana has done suggests that this abuse you're talking about has any merit to it. I don't know how we would've fared and what the result might have been. I do know that we wouldn't have been an easy out, and in fact, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Rondo is quite a difference maker in the playoffs, a top performer type of player. So no, not entirely baseless to suggest that having him during the playoffs could've altered this team's fortunes last playoffs... in particular when you consider that Doc for some reason though that playing Avery Bradley as a PG was a good idea.

Ok, you've got a point, it's not entirely baseless but you have to admit it's an assumption. One that is, in my mind, equal to the assumption that we would've gotten beat by the Pacers. For the record, i don't think we would've gotten abused, probably would have been a very close series.

I actually do very much regret that we didn't get to see this play out but for better or for worse, the Celtics are committed to rebuilding. Can't actually get over the fact that Pierce and KG are gone. I'm excited for our new players and coach and next season but can't get myself to watch any Pierce highlights for example. Easier to think about the future then watch a tribute video to some of our all-time greats.

[Kane3387]

Meh I say two years

[BballTim]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

we were going to lose to the knicks regardless. having rondo would have brought it to 6 or 7 games. kg was playing on cortisone shots

  We would have made it back to the ECF with a healthy Rondo.

I think we would've lost to Indiana in 6 games anyway, even if we got past New York Knicks. Even with a healthy Rondo, I don't see Pierce and Garnett hanging on much longer. They'd have been worn out. David West and Roy Hibbert would've abused whoever was in our frontcourt. Paul George would have wasted the 35 year old small-forward... 

We matched-up quite well with Indiana, this "abuse" you're talking about is completely baseless.

No it's not. Indiana took Miami to 7 games. What do you think they would've done to the Celtics, if they got by the Knicks? Here's a clue: There's a broom involved.

  Was there a broom involved against the Knicks? You're somehow of the opinion that they would have done much better than they did against the Knicks if they were playing a team better than the Knicks?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would rather go to bed at night dreaming about Wiggins Parker or Randle than having nightmares about being down 3-0 and losing to the NYK in the first round again.

Since we clearly fielded a full roster in that series.

we were going to lose to the knicks regardless. having rondo would have brought it to 6 or 7 games. kg was playing on cortisone shots

  We would have made it back to the ECF with a healthy Rondo.

I think we would've lost to Indiana in 6 games anyway, even if we got past New York Knicks. Even with a healthy Rondo, I don't see Pierce and Garnett hanging on much longer. They'd have been worn out. David West and Roy Hibbert would've abused whoever was in our frontcourt. Paul George would have wasted the 35 year old small-forward... 

We matched-up quite well with Indiana, this "abuse" you're talking about is completely baseless.

No it's not. Indiana took Miami to 7 games. What do you think they would've done to the Celtics, if they got by the Knicks? Here's a clue: There's a broom involved.

And we took Miami to 7 games the year prior, majorly due to Rondo. What's your point?

[Roy H.]

Meh I say two years

What happens in two years?

[gpap]

Are we still really debating whether or not this team would be better with Pierce and KG???

Let it go. It was time to move on.

And by the way, I think we can still contend even though we dealt the old guys.

However, for some reason, a lot of people don't want to see any gray area between unloading the old guys and being a bad team.

Even though I may be the only one to think so, I say we can still be contenders, THIS YEAR.  We just needed to get younger and more athletic, that's all.

Not to mention we now have many more draft picks.

So, try to follow me here...there's 3 options.
Not one or two, but 3 options. I go for option 3.

1.)Unload Pierce and KG, now we suck

2.)Keep Pierce and KG and now we somehow still have a shot at banner 18

3.)Unload Pierce/KG and still contend...ding, ding, ding!!

[BudweiserCeltic]

Are we still really debating whether or not this team would be better with Pierce and KG???

I don't see anyone in the last few posts that has alluded to anything having to do with this.

The only assertions that have been made is to contest the opinion that this team keeping Pierce and KG wouldn't be able to compete any longer, and using our last playoffs performance as the basis for that assertion.

[steefp2]

Are we still really debating whether or not this team would be better with Pierce and KG???

Let it go. It was time to move on.

And by the way, I think we can still contend even though we dealt the old guys.

However, for some reason, a lot of people don't want to see any gray area between unloading the old guys and being a bad team.

Even though I may be the only one to think so, I say we can still be contenders, THIS YEAR.  We just needed to get younger and more athletic, that's all.

Not to mention we now have many more draft picks.

So, try to follow me here...there's 3 options.
Not one or two, but 3 options. I go for option 3.

1.)Unload Pierce and KG, now we suck

2.)Keep Pierce and KG and now we somehow still have a shot at banner 18

3.)Unload Pierce/KG and still contend...ding, ding, ding!!

OK i'll bite, how would we achieve that 3d option ?
Not being sarcastic, genuinely intrigued if a bit sceptical.

[eugen]

I preferred the get Rondo, Barbosa, Sully healthy. sign Steamer and run it back option.

With an even older Pierce and KG? That team wouldn't cut it and then after that would suck for a long, long, and longer time.

This is true. If this team wil be mediocre for 5-6 years, fighing very bottom part of the East, who from great players list, will have desire to sing for DAs team? I do not like to finish like New Orleans or Suns

[TeamGreen.dm]

Compete for what though!?! A championship! ?!? No not this year. If you think the lineup of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Olynyk and Bass is gonna bring a ring then you haven't seen the Miami Heat, Pacers and Knicks play, they have a superstar. Our lineup is young and is full of POTENTIAL. RR is a perennial all star but his game doesn't translate to taking over and winning games on his own. His game is to make OTHERS better and with what we have to offer rightnow isn't championship worthy.