Report: Pistons Interested In Rondo If He Becomes Available

[LarBrd33]

#5 - WE are in the midst of a PG boom.  Teams either have guys who are already better than Rondo (Westbrook/Paul/Curry), project to be better than Rondo (Irving), project to be on a par with Rondo (Rubio)...  or project to be slightly worse than Rondo (Lillard)

Your credibility just went negative.

I don't mind if you disagree with me.

THere's a lot of quality PG's in this league beyond Rondo:  Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry, Deron WIlliams, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, John Wall, Damian Lillard, etc

It would be tough getting any of those guys straight-up for Rondo.  But of course, we wouldn't do that... and neither would they.  I don't see why any of the teams who own those PGs would be interested in trading assets for Rondo seeing as they already have a comparable or better guy (or one that projects to be on his level).  So when you get those teams out of the way, the list of prospective teams starts to get narrow.

[Celtics18]

Report: A lot of teams would be interested in Rondo if he becomes available.

Which teams?

None. He's always been hot garbage.

Locker room cancer. Getting into fights. Arguing with teammates. Not going 110% against the Wizards and the Bobcats of the league, potentially costing us homecourt advantage.

Which is why I've always been an advocate of moving Rondo for Chalmers.

Mario Chalmers can space the floor. So valuable.

We should really do it now before Rondo's value dips any lower.

I'm guessing this is sarcasm.

[Celtics18]

Report: A lot of teams would be interested in Rondo if he becomes available.

Which teams?

Let me just make sure I have your Rondo stance correct:

You don't think anybody really wants him or is willing to offer much in return for him, but you think we should get rid of him anyway?

Does that sum it up?

No. 

#1 - He's my favorite player to watch on the Celtics
#2 - He's a terrific player and use to be an all-star prior to his ACL injury.  Use to be a top 7 PG.
#3 - He's like a Top 10 PG if he returns healthy
#4 - He's not a franchise player you build a team around... and Boston is looking to bottom out for a 3-5 year rebuild.
#5 - WE are in the midst of a PG boom.  Teams either have guys who are already better than Rondo (Westbrook/Paul/Curry), project to be better than Rondo (Irving), project to be on a par with Rondo (Rubio)...  or project to be slightly worse than Rondo (Lillard) and aren't really in the market for a mild upgrade with attitude problems.
#6 - I think some times would trade for him... but I don't think he's got tremendous trade value.  Bill SImmons estimates that Rondo has the 36th highest trade value in the league. 
#7 - I think there are a few teams who potentially would trade for him and potentially would throw some assets at Boston or take on some bad contracts to bring Rondo on board... such as the Pistons and Mavericks. 

But how long is that list?  That's my question.  What teams would be interested in Rondo if he became available?  It's a shorter list than you might think.  Lakers, Mavericks, Pistons... who else?

Correction:

He was a top 3 PG and a top 15 player overall before his knee injury.

[rondoallaturca]

#5 - WE are in the midst of a PG boom.  Teams either have guys who are already better than Rondo (Westbrook/Paul/Curry), project to be better than Rondo (Irving), project to be on a par with Rondo (Rubio)...  or project to be slightly worse than Rondo (Lillard)

Your credibility just went negative.

I don't mind if you disagree with me.

THere's a lot of quality PG's in this league beyond Rondo:  Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry, Deron WIlliams, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, John Wall, Damian Lillard, etc

It would be tough getting any of those guys straight-up for Rondo.  But of course, we wouldn't do that... and neither would they.  I don't see why any of the teams who own those PGs would be interested in trading assets for Rondo seeing as they already have a comparable or better guy (or one that projects to be on his level).  So when you get those teams out of the way, the list of prospective teams starts to get narrow.

To disagree would mean there's a valid argument to begin with. There is no argument when you think Rubio is on track to be on par with Rondo, while Lillard isn't, suggesting Rubio can be as good as Rondo and that Rubio is better than Lillard. 

[LooseCannon]

Report: A lot of teams would be interested in Rondo if he becomes available.

Which teams?

I think two types of teams are going to be interested in Rondo.

The first are teams run by GMs who are superficially interested in counting stats (look at those assists!) and impressed by rings and All-Star appearances (ooh, shiny!).  Those are GMs who aren't good at assessing true value.

The second are teams that are heavily invested in advanced metrics.  So a team like Dallas will probably have a higher opinion of Rondo than most of the league.  They're also the teams that are going to be stingier about giving up assets such as late first-round picks.

[Smitty77]

LarBrd33,

Let me be very clear. NO ONE on your list:  Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry, Deron WIlliams, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, John Wall, Damian Lillard, etc; is as good a defender as Rondo!!! Let me re-state that:  NO ONE on that list, INCLUDING Paul, is as good a defender as RR!!!  Paul making the All-NBA defensive team is a JOKE as he leads the league in steals because he is a roamer as Dell Curry was when he was up their in the league in steals.  Paul, nor Curry (Dell), are/were good lock up defenders. 

DEFENSE is half of the game, right??  To not put RR in the top 7 is a JOKE!!!

Oh, and Rondo is the ONLY guy in the league NOT giving 100% vs. the Bobcats and Wizards.  Give me a break!!!

To equate Rubio with Rondo is sacrilege!!!  Rubio has under a 15.00 efficiency rating and I believe has NEVER played in a playoff game.  And I have NEVER heard ANYONE rave about his defense!!!

If I were on a team with arrogant OCD Ray freaking Allen, I would fight him too!!!!! 

BTW, Chalmers shot under 43% from the floor last year and Rondo shot OVER 48%.  Oh my, Chalmers hit a higher percentage from 3.  Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!

And the ONLY stinking reason RR is the 36th most tradeable player is because he is coming off a PARTIAL ACL tear!!!!!!!  That is the ONLY reason.

I really am quite intrigued with your logic LarBrd33.

Smitty77

[rondoallaturca]

I think two types of teams are going to be interested in Rondo.

The first are teams run by GMs who are superficially interested in counting stats (look at those assists!) and impressed by rings and All-Star appearances (ooh, shiny!).  Those are GMs who aren't good at assessing true value.

The second are teams that are heavily invested in advanced metrics.  So a team like Dallas will probably have a higher opinion of Rondo than most of the league.  They're also the teams that are going to be stingier about giving up assets such as late first-round picks.

So essentially, nearly every team in the NBA would have interest in Rondo. I won't argue with that.

[Smitty77]

I would want a sign and traded Will Bynum.

[byennie]

To equate Rubio with Rondo is sacrilege!!!  Rubio has under a 15.00 efficiency rating and I believe has NEVER played in a playoff game.  And I have NEVER heard ANYONE rave about his defense!!!

Actually Rubio is considered an elite defender, possibly better than Rondo by a lot of stat geeks. For example, Hollinger here (who if you look beyond PER is one of the more respected stat guys out there):

Lost in all the hubbub is Rubio's secret strength -- the highlight-reel passes are nice and all, but his elite defense is the true difference-maker for this team. Rubio ranked fourth among point guards in steals per minute and excelled at drawing charges; between his unusual length for a point guard and his quick feet, he was immediately among the best defenders in the league. Thanks to his efforts, the Wolves gave up 7.3 points per 100 possessions less with him on the court.

That said, his shooting is even noticeably worse than Rondo's.

I personally would say that Rondo is so unique that it's very hard to place him. Chris Paul is the only PG that I think is clearly better, when healthy, because he can be elite in all aspects of the game including shooting and scoring. When you get down to Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Williams, it becomes a bit of an apples to oranges thing and it matters what you need from your PG.

[Smitty77]

I bet Rondo would look great with an athletic and young front line of Love, Pek, and AK47 backing him up.  We had the geriatric crew backing up Rondo!!

Also, Rubio is very injury prone.  Granted, RR is coming off a PARTIAL ACL tear.  But, this EARLY into Rubio's career, he has already had many injury concerns.

Smitty77

P.S. Did Rubio receive ANY votes for All-NBA defense??

[LooseCannon]

I bet Rondo would look great with an athletic and young front line of Love, Pek, and AK47 backing him up.  We had the geriatric crew backing up Rondo!!

Kevin Love is not that athletic.  AK47 is 32 years old.

[LilRip]

I'd trade Rondo and Wallace for either Monroe or Drummond, then fillers and then the Pistons' 2014 first rounder.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I'm so happy I get to see a RR with a lot to prove, I was a bit sad when I heard news of the trade of PP and KG (still am)... now that I have a chance to get over it somewhat, I can now look at who we still have. I think RR is going to prove that he can also be a scorer (he never needed to be, that isn't what Doc asked of him). I think he will be better than most expect (I'm not talking about fans of tanking, they want him/team to be bad regardless). I know people say that it's been RR's team for a while now but that's been all talk as long as PP and KG were here, this season everyone officially knows that it's RR's team, no question. I'm sure all the talk about him being held up by the Big 3 will give him all the motivation to go out and prove people wrong. I'm sure there is a fire burning in him that he is about to release on the court.

I'm not saying our team will be good but I have no doubt that when RR plays, he will prove that he is one of the best PLAYERS, period.



GO RONDO!!!

[Smitty77]

LooseCannon,

OK.  "Athletic" was NOT the best choice of words.  That being said, people thought MUCH HARDER about driving in for a layup with that "PHYSICAL" front line (NOT saying the AK47 is physical, but Love and Pek ARE!!).  Our front line was one of the SOFTER front lines in the NBA last year in terms of age and how they played.  There were very few hard fouls dished out on opponents by the Celtics!!

Also, AK47 is still one of the most versatile front line players in the league IMHO!!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

LarBrd33,

Also, the Bradley experiment at PG proved to be a total indisputable DISASTER!!!  He is NOT a PG!!!

Smitty77