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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2013, 05:44:02 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2013, 05:45:18 PM »

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If you think Wall is even close to Rondo...I don't know what to tell you. The guy is barely better tha Collison and Chalmers. I would also take Rondo over half those guys you mentioned.

Fine to prefer Rondo (I do too), but Wall closer to Chalmers?

Per 40 numbers for those 4 players:

23/9/5
15/12/6
16/7/4
13/5/3

The first one is Wall.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2013, 05:48:23 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Don't forget Eddie Casa.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2013, 05:55:22 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Oh and the size of our backcourt had nothing to do with us getting killed last year.  That was because of the QUALITY of our backcourt.  Rondo was out, Bradley was still not completely recovers from injury, terry was decent and lee was utterly useless.

Who won the title the last two seasons? Miami.  How big is their starting Chalmers / Wade backcourt?

Evans had a massive rookie season on par with what future superstars tend to average (20/5/5). People are saying he is a poor shooter and not a proper PG.  Shall I bring up Dwyne Wade?  He was a terrible shooter early in his career, wa undersized (at 6'4") and was not a pure PG either.  He's been a top 3 SG in this league ever since his second season.

Evans is only 23 years old and has spent his entire career playing for a horrendous franchise with no leaders around him. Unlike wade he never had Shaq, Morning and Pat Riley around to tutor him. Look up past NBA players who averaged 20/5/5 in their rookie season and tell me how many of those players DIDN'T become at least All-Star calibre players.  Everybody said the same things about OJ Mayo in last year's off-season (undersized, mediocre shooter, can't pay PG) and he had a great season with Dallas.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2013, 06:51:28 PM »

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Wow. Now not only is Evans better than Rondo but he compares favorably to Wade. I am astonished at the value people assign to players that have accomplished very little to nothing over players that have resumes that make them near or at Hall of Fame quality. Flabbergasted actually.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2013, 06:54:32 PM »

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Wow. Now not only is Evans better than Rondo but he compares favorably to Wade. I am astonished at the value people assign to players that have accomplished very little to nothing over players that have resumes that make them near or at Hall of Fame quality. Flabbergasted actually.

Not to mention the fact that they're actually buying into Evans's 20-5-5 rookie season even though that Kings squad was just so astonishingly devoid of talent. Hell, Evan Turner might be primed for his own 20-5-5 season this year in Philly.

I bet Sacramento Kings would be laughing their asses off if they opened this thread. 

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2013, 06:55:32 PM »

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If you think Wall is even close to Rondo...I don't know what to tell you. The guy is barely better tha Collison and Chalmers. I would also take Rondo over half those guys you mentioned.

Fine to prefer Rondo (I do too), but Wall closer to Chalmers?

Per 40 numbers for those 4 players:

23/9/5
15/12/6
16/7/4
13/5/3

The first one is Wall.

Yeah, anybody who says Wall is on the same level as Collison and Chalmers has pretty much undermined their credibility with that statement.
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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2013, 06:57:05 PM »

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How about this option...

Move 1
Send Chris Humphries expiring contract, Marshon Brooks, two second round picks to Atlanta for Josh Smith (Sign-and-trade).

Move 2
Send $7.3M trade exception, Courtney Lee to Sacramento for Tyreke Evans (sign-and-trade). 

Move 3
Trade Brandon Bass, Jordan Crawford to "Team-X" in return for a passable veteran backup center (Brendon Haywood, Sam Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Jermaine Oneal, etc)

Move 4
Sign Aaron Brooks (just got released by Houston) to with MLE Exception

Starting 5:
R Rondo, T Evans, J Green, J Smith, K Olynyk

Reserves:
A Brooks, A Bradley, G Wallace, J Sullinger, [FA Center)]

Assuming Olynik can jump right in to the NBA game, this is a pretty solid roster.  Nobody in that starting 5 is older than about 28 (Smith / Green / Rondo).

Asding Olynyk at center gives us a shooter in the front court who can make up for Josh Smith's suspect jump shot.  On the other hand Josh Smith is typically an 8-9 rebound and 2 block guy who can make up for the rebounding and rim protection that Olynyk lacks.

Our bench (with Wallace and Sullinger) would be an exceptional rebounding bench, while the combination of Bradley, Wallace and Sullinger would also make it a very good defensive bench (Sullinger had a very good defensive ratings last season).

Then on top of all this, we'd still have about 6 future draft picks, including two in next years stacked draft.

Potential here?

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2013, 06:58:07 PM »

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Not sure if I'm remebering this correctly but didn't Tyreke leads the league in dish outs to cutters at the rim in his rookie season? Seems like the perfect backourt mate for Bradley.

That's quite a bit of length and will feast on the passing lanes. They both also are probably top 5 in poking the ball away from ballhandlers(Bradley was #1 this year). Add Olynk, Sulley and Green and that's a mean, fast and brusing line up. Send in old mass Bass to drain shots off the bench and who knows maybe Jordan Crawford comes in for some microwave time alongside Gigi Datome launching shots from behind the arc and the forgotten man Fab Melo doing his best Dikembe impersination.

That team is one or two impact signing(s) away from deep playoff contention. But then the world looks great through these rose colored glasses.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2013, 07:38:32 PM »

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How about this option...

Move 1
Send Chris Humphries expiring contract, Marshon Brooks, two second round picks to Atlanta for Josh Smith (Sign-and-trade).

Move 2
Send $7.3M trade exception, Courtney Lee to Sacramento for Tyreke Evans (sign-and-trade). 

Move 3
Trade Brandon Bass, Jordan Crawford to "Team-X" in return for a passable veteran backup center (Brendon Haywood, Sam Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Jermaine Oneal, etc)

Move 4
Sign Aaron Brooks (just got released by Houston) to with MLE Exception

Starting 5:
R Rondo, T Evans, J Green, J Smith, K Olynyk

Reserves:
A Brooks, A Bradley, G Wallace, J Sullinger, [FA Center)]

Assuming Olynik can jump right in to the NBA game, this is a pretty solid roster.  Nobody in that starting 5 is older than about 28 (Smith / Green / Rondo).

Asding Olynyk at center gives us a shooter in the front court who can make up for Josh Smith's suspect jump shot.  On the other hand Josh Smith is typically an 8-9 rebound and 2 block guy who can make up for the rebounding and rim protection that Olynyk lacks.

Our bench (with Wallace and Sullinger) would be an exceptional rebounding bench, while the combination of Bradley, Wallace and Sullinger would also make it a very good defensive bench (Sullinger had a very good defensive ratings last season).

Then on top of all this, we'd still have about 6 future draft picks, including two in next years stacked draft.

Potential here?


Would actually like to see that team. Has enough tempo and defense to win some games, and like you mentioned they are young. Would really like to see this team.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2013, 08:13:39 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Our back court last year was too small, and their skills were not able to make up for that deficiency. Tony Allen was a shutdown defensive specialist who could even guard LeBron at times and Ray Allen is maybe the greatest shooter of all time.

Now that we are starting over, I really am not interested in adding players that are going come at a high cost that are going to continue a clear problem from last season. Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

A Rondo -Tyreke back court is not appealing to me, especially without PP/KG type players to anchor the team. If Tyreke could play PG, I might feel differently..

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2013, 08:34:52 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Our back court last year was too small, and their skills were not able to make up for that deficiency. Tony Allen was a shutdown defensive specialist who could even guard LeBron at times and Ray Allen is maybe the greatest shooter of all time.

Now that we are starting over, I really am not interested in adding players that are going come at a high cost that are going to continue a clear problem from last season. Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

A Rondo -Tyreke back court is not appealing to me, especially without PP/KG type players to anchor the team. If Tyreke could play PG, I might feel differently..

Evans is not undersized, stop adjusting numbers at your whim just to make your argument sound better. If you're going to adjust a player's height, you need to make that allowance to everyone.

Also, we were undersized last year because Jason Terry is 6'2... well that's listed, probably measured somewhere at 6'1, but without shoes it's 6'0.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2013, 08:36:32 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

When you see a players listed heights it's taken with shoes. That said, these are the following players heights w/out shoes.

Wade is 6' 3.75"
Harden is 6' 4"
Gordon is 6' 2"
Mayo is 6' 3.25"
Iguodala 6' 5.75"

Which makes me ask, which 2 guard in the league is the one that would take advantage of Evans physically?

Also, Evans is actually a solid to good defender. Defense has never been his weakness.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2013, 08:36:38 PM »

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How about this option...

Move 1
Send Chris Humphries expiring contract, Marshon Brooks, two second round picks to Atlanta for Josh Smith (Sign-and-trade).

Move 2
Send $7.3M trade exception, Courtney Lee to Sacramento for Tyreke Evans (sign-and-trade). 

Move 3
Trade Brandon Bass, Jordan Crawford to "Team-X" in return for a passable veteran backup center (Brendon Haywood, Sam Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Jermaine Oneal, etc)

Move 4
Sign Aaron Brooks (just got released by Houston) to with MLE Exception

Starting 5:
R Rondo, T Evans, J Green, J Smith, K Olynyk

Reserves:
A Brooks, A Bradley, G Wallace, J Sullinger, [FA Center)]

Assuming Olynik can jump right in to the NBA game, this is a pretty solid roster.  Nobody in that starting 5 is older than about 28 (Smith / Green / Rondo).

Asding Olynyk at center gives us a shooter in the front court who can make up for Josh Smith's suspect jump shot.  On the other hand Josh Smith is typically an 8-9 rebound and 2 block guy who can make up for the rebounding and rim protection that Olynyk lacks.

Our bench (with Wallace and Sullinger) would be an exceptional rebounding bench, while the combination of Bradley, Wallace and Sullinger would also make it a very good defensive bench (Sullinger had a very good defensive ratings last season).

Then on top of all this, we'd still have about 6 future draft picks, including two in next years stacked draft.

Potential here?
Love this lineup except for Olynyx as are starting CENTER..No way!! He will be in Maine...get a cheap CENTER like Dalembert or Brand
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2013, 08:40:06 PM »

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Wow. Now not only is Evans better than Rondo but he compares favorably to Wade. I am astonished at the value people assign to players that have accomplished very little to nothing over players that have resumes that make them near or at Hall of Fame quality. Flabbergasted actually.

1. I don't think anybody here said that Evans ist better than Rondo.  Rondo is an All-Star and a top 3 PG in the NBA, Evans opbviously is not at that level, but Rondo is going on 28 and Evans is only about 23 so it's not entirely fair to compare them at this point in their careers either.  What some people suggested is that Evans may one day become a better player than Rondo.  Given his talents and age this certaintly is not out of the question. 

2. I didn't say that Evans compares favourably to Wade.  D Wade has been one of the top 3 SG's in the NBA (and an All-Starter for most of his career.  What I said is that everybody is suggesting that he doesn't have the potential to be a star because of his limitations (mediocre shooter, combo guard, lack of size at SG) and yet Wade early in his career (and even today) had all of those same weaknesses. Wade still is a mediocre shooter, he started his career as a combo guard (he played a lot of PG but was naturally more suited to SG) and he has almost identical height / length / build to Tyreke.

What I said is that Tyreke Evans, in his rookie season, averaged 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists per night.  I don't care how bad a team you are playing on, if you can put up those numbers as a rookie against NBA defense then you can play. He also shot just under 46% from the field and 75% from the line that season so it's not like he was midlessly chucking (Jordan Crawford style) either.  In fact he has only averagd below 45% FG once in his career, and only shot under 75% FT once as well so he's actually a reasonably efficient scorer by guard standards.   

Can you name other guys who put up numbers that good as rookies in the past 10 years?  How many of those guys have not become All-Stars?  The only one I can think of is John Wall, and he certainly has All-Star level talent.

Evans has all the tools to be an future All-Star in the NBA.  He has all the tools to be a good NBA defender (quickness, length, strength), he is athletic, he's a capable scorer (he's never averaged < 16 PPG in his NBA career) and he is skilled enough to play three positions (PG, SG, SF).  There is no question that the potential is there, the only question is will he realise that potential.

Tyreke is a very low risk player if you can get him for a multi-year deal at ~$8M or so per season.  The worst case is that he has already reached his ceiling and you end up with the player he is right now - a 15/5/4 guy with the versatility to play three positions.  That is already worth the $8M/year asking price (if you can get him for that).  Best case is that he improves significantly and becomes Brendon Roy / Dwyne Wade / James Harden calibre player two seasons from now.  In this case you end up with a Max Salary player on a bargain contract and a centerpiece to build your team around.

I really don't see how you can possible lose here with a deal like this.  Even a max deal (which for his experience would probably be about $12M / year) is still reasonable value for a 15/5/5 guy who can play multiple positions and is only 23. Those are already close to Paul Pierce numbers, and we would have paid Pierce $16M if he was here this season.