Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1

[winsomme]

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Our back court last year was too small, and their skills were not able to make up for that deficiency. Tony Allen was a shutdown defensive specialist who could even guard LeBron at times and Ray Allen is maybe the greatest shooter of all time.

Now that we are starting over, I really am not interested in adding players that are going come at a high cost that are going to continue a clear problem from last season. Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

A Rondo -Tyreke back court is not appealing to me, especially without PP/KG type players to anchor the team. If Tyreke could play PG, I might feel differently..

Evans is not undersized, stop adjusting numbers at your whim just to make your argument sound better. If you're going to adjust a player's height, you need to make that allowance to everyone.

Also, we were undersized last year because Jason Terry is 6'2... well that's listed, probably measured somewhere at 6'1, but without shoes it's 6'0.

The only people adjusting heights here are those calling Tyreke 6'6". He is not. I don't think he's necessarily undersized, but he certainly not tall for SG and his skills do not IMO add to him playing that position. Thus, my assessment that he would be a lot more interesting if he could play PG.

Plus, a Rondo-Tyreke starting back court is just not what I want from a rebuild...Not liking that at all...

[winsomme]

How about this option...

Move 1
Send Chris Humphries expiring contract, Marshon Brooks, two second round picks to Atlanta for Josh Smith (Sign-and-trade).

Move 2
Send $7.3M trade exception, Courtney Lee to Sacramento for Tyreke Evans (sign-and-trade). 

Move 3
Trade Brandon Bass, Jordan Crawford to "Team-X" in return for a passable veteran backup center (Brendon Haywood, Sam Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Jermaine Oneal, etc)

Move 4
Sign Aaron Brooks (just got released by Houston) to with MLE Exception

Starting 5:
R Rondo, T Evans, J Green, J Smith, K Olynyk

Reserves:
A Brooks, A Bradley, G Wallace, J Sullinger, [FA Center)]

Assuming Olynik can jump right in to the NBA game, this is a pretty solid roster.  Nobody in that starting 5 is older than about 28 (Smith / Green / Rondo).

Asding Olynyk at center gives us a shooter in the front court who can make up for Josh Smith's suspect jump shot.  On the other hand Josh Smith is typically an 8-9 rebound and 2 block guy who can make up for the rebounding and rim protection that Olynyk lacks.

Our bench (with Wallace and Sullinger) would be an exceptional rebounding bench, while the combination of Bradley, Wallace and Sullinger would also make it a very good defensive bench (Sullinger had a very good defensive ratings last season).

Then on top of all this, we'd still have about 6 future draft picks, including two in next years stacked draft.

Potential here?

Yeah, that's the team I'm worried about. That's a decent playoff team in the EC but nothing more IMO. Our defense would be abysmal.

Like I said in my other post, that back court is not appealing to me. If Tyreke could hold down PG and we could bring in a nice SG that would be more to my liking.

That said, I'd rather tank for the 2014 sweepstakes.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Our back court last year was too small, and their skills were not able to make up for that deficiency. Tony Allen was a shutdown defensive specialist who could even guard LeBron at times and Ray Allen is maybe the greatest shooter of all time.

Now that we are starting over, I really am not interested in adding players that are going come at a high cost that are going to continue a clear problem from last season. Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

A Rondo -Tyreke back court is not appealing to me, especially without PP/KG type players to anchor the team. If Tyreke could play PG, I might feel differently..

Evans is not undersized, stop adjusting numbers at your whim just to make your argument sound better. If you're going to adjust a player's height, you need to make that allowance to everyone.

Also, we were undersized last year because Jason Terry is 6'2... well that's listed, probably measured somewhere at 6'1, but without shoes it's 6'0.

The only people adjusting heights here are those calling Tyreke 6'6". He is not. I don't think he's necessarily undersized, but he certainly not tall for SG and his skills do not IMO add to him playing that position. Thus, my assessment that he would be a lot more interesting if he could play PG.

Plus, a Rondo-Tyreke starting back court is just not what I want from a rebuild...Not liking that at all...

I'm using his listed height, which is 6'6... so it's fair to use those measurements against others' listed height. But if you're going to put particular considerations on how Evans is measured, then in order to compare to the other SG crop that is out there, you need to use those same considerations.

In any case, no matter how you paint it, Evans is a SG with good height and with some power too.

[gar]

Don't get the logic.

Trade Rondo for Evans (and a big) because we can't play Rondo and Bradley together because Bradley is too small. Why not trade Bradley. Is much easier to find a defensive minded SG than a PG like Rondo.

If Danny is banking on Bradley as a centerpiece I think he is making a huge mistake. Great complimentary play; but Bradley should not be someone you build around. Nice kid, need someone with ice water in their veins, Bradley is too easily spooked.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't know who's saying that Rondo and Bradley can't play together, I don't know what games they've been watching. They've been quite dominant playing together.

[winsomme]

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Wouldn't Tyreke work great handling the ball when Rondo is on the bench for about 12 to 15 minutes a game? He would be getting the ball full time running the offense when Rondo is on the bench and he is paired with Avery Bradley.  Between Evans and Bradley it doesn't evenAt those points of the games he would know he has the green light to try and take over the game if he has an advantage.  I think in an uptempo offense they can learn to work well together the rest of the time that they are out there together. 

Rondo, Evans, Bradley and Lee would be a very guard rotation to have for the next three to four years.  Lee could be even moved for someone cheaper or if Marshon Brooks or one of those upcoming draft picks ends up being a rotation caliber PG or SG.

The only question for me is if Evans is worth the full mid level exemption for three or four years(if he would accept it)or the $7.3 million trade exemption the Celtics are rumored to be receiving out of the Pierce/Garnett/Terry deal?  Even though he has some weaknesses in his game and personality, Tyreke is definitely a steal and really good value to add to the team if they can get him at around $5 to $7 million a year.

Best part of all you get him without giving up Rajon Rondo in the process.

yikes! That is a great way to miss out on this 2014 draft still be very mediocre over the long term. And you still have a tiny back court. Not liking continuing the "6'5" and under" back court combos. We got killed with that this year.

Yeah, just like how we got killed in 2008 with our 6'5" and under backcourt of Rondo, Ray Allen, Sam Cassel, Tony Allen...right?

Our back court last year was too small, and their skills were not able to make up for that deficiency. Tony Allen was a shutdown defensive specialist who could even guard LeBron at times and Ray Allen is maybe the greatest shooter of all time.

Now that we are starting over, I really am not interested in adding players that are going come at a high cost that are going to continue a clear problem from last season. Tyreke is 6'4" without shoes, so he's not 6'6". He's not a good shooter and he's not a good defender. He has a lot of nice elements to his game but not to be out starting SG of the future. Plus, we need to be focused on this next draft, not assembling young 7/8 seed type squad.

A Rondo -Tyreke back court is not appealing to me, especially without PP/KG type players to anchor the team. If Tyreke could play PG, I might feel differently..

Evans is not undersized, stop adjusting numbers at your whim just to make your argument sound better. If you're going to adjust a player's height, you need to make that allowance to everyone.

Also, we were undersized last year because Jason Terry is 6'2... well that's listed, probably measured somewhere at 6'1, but without shoes it's 6'0.

The only people adjusting heights here are those calling Tyreke 6'6". He is not. I don't think he's necessarily undersized, but he certainly not tall for SG and his skills do not IMO add to him playing that position. Thus, my assessment that he would be a lot more interesting if he could play PG.

Plus, a Rondo-Tyreke starting back court is just not what I want from a rebuild...Not liking that at all...

I'm using his listed height, which is 6'6... so it's fair to use those measurements against others' listed height. But if you're going to put particular considerations on how Evans is measured, then in order to compare to the other SG crop that is out there, you need to use those same considerations.

In any case, no matter how you paint it, Evans is a SG with good height and with some power too.

I haven't added players to the discussion other than to point out if a player is in the same height range as Tyreke and effective at the position it has more to do with their skills than their height (ie Wade). There is no other player in this discussion that I am debating their height other than Tyreke. He is not 6'6". It's just not accurate.

He has okay size for SG, but his skills do not IMO support making him your starter at that position. If our goal is to build a contender, Tyreke at SG would not be appealing to me, partly because of his size and partly because of his skills. I'd rather have better size at that position and/or better skills. Which brings me back to my original point that if he could play PG, he'd be much more appealing....

[gpap]

Admittedly, I am not 100 percent familiar with Tyreke as a player.

I thought he was a good shooter, but based on comments throughout this thread, maybe not.

If he's not a good shooter, then I would pass.

I think the skill of being a good shooter is being REALLY underestimated. Matter of fact, if the Celts had better shooters last season other than Terry and Lee, we may have beaten the Knicks.

The likes of Felton, Shumpert and Melo killed us with the outside shot.

In other words, what I am saying is if Tyreke can knock down a consistent jump shot and 3 pointer, pick him up!

If he's more of a pass first type player, then pass.

We have plenty of those. That's one of the problems I have with Avery Bradley. He may be great defensively and can sometimes knock down a jump shot, but he's limited offensively and not a very good ball handler. His turnovers killed us this year in the playoffs.

That's why I would actually rather just swap Humph to the Bobcats for Ben Gordon, who's a very good shooter.

When you compile some bigs and good shooters, you can space the floor so well and outplay the opposing team.

That's one thing Miami had going for it with Birdman/Bosh playing the paint, and the likes of Lebron/Ray/Battier knocking down 3s.

[crownontherocks]

Pelicans will have a face to face with Tyreke Evans tonight after free agency commences at 12:01 AM ET, ESPN has learned

Stein

[Eddie20]

Hey guys,

For what it's worth, my best friend works at Sac International Airport. Always runs into players, celebrities, etc. called me this morning to tell me he spoke with Tyreke Evans for a couple minutes. He's a big kings fan and told him he hopes he stays with Sacramento, but Evans told him he's meeting with Boston, then NY, then Philadelphia. Said he wanted to stay in Sacramento but that's probably not happening anymore.

I know ainge has always liked Evans, however I'm not sure how he fits into our future with Bradley, brooks, etc.

Just wanted to let you all know, and this is a very trusted source here in Sac.

Thanks

I guess he forgot to mention that he was meeting with NO first...

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Pelicans will have a face to face with Tyreke Evans tonight after free agency commences at 12:01 AM ET, ESPN has learned

[nickagneta]

Pelicans have Vasquez and Holiday and Evans is interviewing first in New Orleans. Anyone think he's going there to play PG?

Evans is not a PG. He's the West Coast version of Evan Turner. A SG with good handles and a good ability to pass that can't shoot that well from outside.

[Eddie20]

Pelicans have Vasquez and Holiday and Evans is interviewing first in New Orleans. Anyone think he's going there to play PG?

They also have Gordon and Rivers at SG, so maybe he's going there to play the 3....
 

[nickagneta]

Pelicans have Vasquez and Holiday and Evans is interviewing first in New Orleans. Anyone think he's going there to play PG?

They also have Gordon and Rivers at SG, so maybe he's going there to play the 3....
 

Rivers sucks and I really think Eric Gordon won't be in New Orleans next year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Still time for this rumor to be true, looks like the Pelican meeting is actually tonight... maybe flying from there to Boston?

Honestly at this point I'm pulling for the OP's inside source.

[D.o.s.]

Admittedly, I am not 100 percent familiar with Tyreke as a player.

I thought he was a good shooter, but based on comments throughout this thread, maybe not.

If he's not a good shooter, then I would pass.

I think the skill of being a good shooter is being REALLY underestimated. Matter of fact, if the Celts had better shooters last season other than Terry and Lee, we may have beaten the Knicks.

The likes of Felton, Shumpert and Melo killed us with the outside shot.

In other words, what I am saying is if Tyreke can knock down a consistent jump shot and 3 pointer, pick him up!

If he's more of a pass first type player, then pass.

We have plenty of those. That's one of the problems I have with Avery Bradley. He may be great defensively and can sometimes knock down a jump shot, but he's limited offensively and not a very good ball handler. His turnovers killed us this year in the playoffs.

That's why I would actually rather just swap Humph to the Bobcats for Ben Gordon, who's a very good shooter.

When you compile some bigs and good shooters, you can space the floor so well and outplay the opposing team.

That's one thing Miami had going for it with Birdman/Bosh playing the paint, and the likes of Lebron/Ray/Battier knocking down 3s.

He's not a great shooter, in that no one is going to respect him if you put him out past twenty feet without the ball.

What he can do with aplomb is get to the basket with the ball in his hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBFZH1vP7M

If any of you guys remember the We Believe Warriors, you'll remember Monte Ellis before he devolved into an undersized chucker. Tyreke's game is a bit like that, but he's 6'5 220 instead of 6'2 180.

Also, there's passing highlights nine minutes in, for what that's worth.

[BudweiserCeltic]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m
As @ESPNSteinLine reported, Pelicans will meet with Tyreke Evans late tonight. Told they will have an offer sheet in hand--a big one.

I'm at the edge of my seat.