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Officially Wiggins or Bust
« on: June 27, 2013, 11:12:09 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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It stings right now, but in a couple years (or a year from now) when KG and Pierce are no longer in the league, you really aren't going to care.

This was the smart move.  We're tanking in what's being called the best draft since 2003 when LeBron, Melo, Wade and Bosh all came out.  We'll be terrible this year... hopefully less than 25 wins.  And worst case scenario a #5 pick which will still have a ton of value.

Two picks in 2014.
Two picks in 2015.
Two picks in 2016.
Two picks in 2018.

Young assets like Bradley, Sully, Melo, Olynyk.    Rondo could sit out part of the year recovering from injury...

It's a rebuild.  This is how you rebuild.  I've been watching Pierce since his first game on the Celtics.  I named my cat after him.  I love that guy... but Boston is about winning titles and you aren't going to win a title with the group we had.  41 wins and a beating by the Knicks isn't my idea of a fun season.  This is excellent return for two guys with a foot in retirement.  Check out Ewing on the Sonics, Hakeem on the Raptors or Payton on the Heat.  If you need to take a year to sulk, do it... but Danny Ainge knows what he is doing here... and I can only stand up and applaud him for having the guts to do it.  No perpetually mediocrity here.  We're going to build a contender. 

Bring on the tank job.  Bring on Wiggins or any of the other studs at the top of the 2014 draft.  If this pans out, you could have a couple decades of relevance... as opposed to a few years of frustrating also-ran status.


Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 11:14:09 PM »

Offline zimbo

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There are lots of teams to compete with next year for the top picks. It's that serious.

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 11:15:13 PM »

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2014
Superstars:
Wiggins
Parker

stars:
gordon
randle
andrew harrison
aaron harrison
young

potential stars:
dakari johnson
marcus smart

missing out on wiggins next year wont be bad because theres multiple good consolation prizes

literally you can throw a dart at any of these names you can leave the draft smiling.

any of these players would be #1 picked this year.

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 11:15:30 PM »

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It stings right now, but in a couple years (or a year from now) when KG and Pierce are no longer in the league, you really aren't going to care.

This was the smart move.  We're tanking in what's being called the best draft since 2003 when LeBron, Melo, Wade and Bosh all came out.  We'll be terrible this year... hopefully less than 25 wins.  And worst case scenario a #5 pick which will still have a ton of value.

Two picks in 2014.
Two picks in 2015.
Two picks in 2016.
Two picks in 2018.

Young assets like Bradley, Sully, Melo, Olynyk.    Rondo could sit out part of the year recovering from injury...

It's a rebuild.  This is how you rebuild.  I've been watching Pierce since his first game on the Celtics.  I named my cat after him.  I love that guy... but Boston is about winning titles and you aren't going to win a title with the group we had.  41 wins and a beating by the Knicks isn't my idea of a fun season.  This is excellent return for two guys with a foot in retirement.  Check out Ewing on the Sonics, Hakeem on the Raptors or Payton on the Heat.  If you need to take a year to sulk, do it... but Danny Ainge knows what he is doing here... and I can only stand up and applaud him for having the guts to do it.  No perpetually mediocrity here.  We're going to build a contender. 

Bring on the tank job.  Bring on Wiggins or any of the other studs at the top of the 2014 draft.  If this pans out, you could have a couple decades of relevance... as opposed to a few years of frustrating also-ran status.

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Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 11:17:19 PM »

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Officially....a horse crap move.

Taking on Wallace's contract for mediocre picks is beyond stupid, even if it does substantially increase the odds we are a bottom welling team next year.

Intentionally tanking to get a specific player, a player who just graduated HS, rarely works the way you want it to.

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 11:18:08 PM »

Offline Mattybriand

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maybe change the headline to Wiggins or Parker or BUST

Best case: we get Wiggins and Noah Vonleh *maybe he slips

Vonleh for the hometown vote, being from Haverhill and all

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 11:18:48 PM »

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Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 11:19:08 PM »

Offline DoverCeltic

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Id be happy with any of those. Theyre all caliber players. Or tickets for a superstar

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 11:20:26 PM »

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Yeah... remember the last time we tried to tank?
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Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 11:20:28 PM »

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There are lots of teams to compete with next year for the top picks. It's that serious.

Yes. Looks like Philly is all in for a tank now. If the C's are going to suck they better SUCK.

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 11:21:45 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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2014
Superstars:
Wiggins
Parker

stars:
gordon
randle
andrew harrison
aaron harrison
young


missing out on wiggins next year wont be bad because theres multiple good consolation prizes

literally you can throw a dart at any of these names you can leave the draft smiling.

I know a lot of people are going to be very very upset, but hopefully I can help talk people off the ledge a bit.  At this point in their careers, you aren't going to get anything substantial for Pierce and KG.  Those guys could have been bought out for nothing... they contemplated retirement LAST offseason.  I think if you tried to trade KG and Pierce for three 1st rounders (even late 1st rounders) in a video game, the game AI would say you were nuts and reject it. 

This is definitely the right move.  It's going to be a painful year, but in 2014 when Pierce is a free agent again (feel free to sign him) and KG is probably retired... You'll be thrilled that you have those three picks and a shot at gold in the 2014 lotto.  If you were going to do it, you do it now... you don't do it in 2015... you dont' do it in 2016... you do it NOW when there are superstars coming. 

Ainge is a beast and deserves credit.  This trade isn't for the short-sighted.  If you think Ainge deserves to be fired for this, you don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about and you don't understand Ainge's philosophy.  Ainge is all about collecting assets.  Frown on the having two picks in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2018 all you want, but you have to understand that picks like that give you assets, options and flexibility to make moves.  It was assets like those that allowed us to trade for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in the first place!  And even then, we know those guys were past their prime and the window was short.  We dragged it out two years too long and still came out of it with three 1st rounders (plus the one we got for Doc)... that's fantastic return for guys who could retire before the end of the 2013-14 season.

This is a good thing whether you understand it or not.  Our future is going to be very bright... as opposed to a dark cloud of progressive sickness. 

When Ainge took over, he took a dump of a franchise and made them a contender in 4 years.  As fully expected, we will tank this season.  We will get gold out of the tankjob.  The Wallace contract seems like it stinks, but long-term it's fantastic.  Say you tank.  Say you draft Wiggins in 2014.  Say you stink again during his rookie year.  Say you draft another stud in 2015.  Now you have two cornerstones + Rondo + Gerald Wallace's expiring contract and a boatload of young assets...   If Ainge plays this right, he could put together a contender in three years... and this time, it will be one built around guys who aren't in their early 30s.

You would have never been able to trade for KG without Theo Ratliff's expiring contract.  That Wallace contract stinks this year, but we're tanking.  It will stink in 2015, but we'll probably tank that year too.  In 2016... that contract + some young assets might be what gets us a piece to put us back into contention.  It's a process... a very well thought out process that has already proven to be 100% successful by Danny Ainge the first time around. 
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Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 11:23:02 PM »

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2014
Superstars:
Wiggins
Parker

stars:
gordon
randle
andrew harrison
aaron harrison
young

potential stars:
dakari johnson
marcus smart

missing out on wiggins next year wont be bad because theres multiple good consolation prizes

literally you can throw a dart at any of these names you can leave the draft smiling.

any of these players would be #1 picked this year.

Agreed.  This is the draft to tank for.  That's why I didn't agree with the folks that said run it back one more year then rebuild.  Why miss out on a draft like this for one more 1st or 2nd round exit?

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 11:23:20 PM »

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Like Roy, I am worried about how this story ends. On another note, who is going to want to watch this mess of a team next year?

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 11:23:36 PM »

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Ainge just unnecessarily prolonged what could've been a maximum 1-2 year rebuild into a minimum 3-5 year rebuild. Instead of facing adversity, it looks like Ainge would rather let the Heat bask in the sun and wait until they're older before competing again.

I'm sick to my stomach right now. The Cleveland option was way better than this. Hell, even the Warriors. I mean, we couldn't even get Marshon Brooks in return? Rebuilding teams are supposed to gain assets and lose liabilities. They're not supposed to gain average-at-best assets in addition to an even worse liability.

I appreciate everything Ainge has done for the C's, but this is just absolute foolishness. Bill Simmons could've been a better Celtics GM today working from the desk at ESPN tonight.

Re: Officially Wiggins or Bust
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 11:23:38 PM »

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Yeah... remember the last time we tried to tank?

Ainge traded the 5th pick to Seattle for Allen and then traded for KG?