We could have 2 2014 picks,and an extra unprotected pick in 2015,16,and 18

[Roy H.]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

[pearljammer10]

Danny just stockpiling assets... Hopefully to pawn off Wallace's contract.

[Kane3387]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

Part of this has to do with allowing kg and Paul to finish their careers together. And sending them to a contender. They also get to collect all their money.

Go nets in 2014. On paper that's the best starting five in the NBA. They really compliment one another too.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

I really doubt Ainge has any interest in cap space. I think he's more concerned with breathing room between the salary cap and the tax apron. I honestly believe that Ainge will be looking for a quick reload via some sign and trade possibilities, or some trade deadline activities, particularly one where he'll be more focused on acquiring assets and talent rather than roster fit to contend this particular season.

I really have little worry about how he'll build our roster going forward. But personally, I don't want to play the salary cap game nor the draft game. I'm looking for Ainge to make some good trades until he finds an adequate combination, and I don't think we're that far off.

As is, we have some good young talent on cheap or manageable contracts. Green really came to his own last year, and he performed well in the playoffs, so that's a very good sign. Rondo and Bradley have shown to be a very very good combination and disruptive when playing together, and Sully is a lottery talent who just got his back fixed. You really don't want to waste too many years when you have this young core, you want to surround them with adequate talent as soon as possible, and there are some intriguing possibilities this particular year with some sign-and-trade opportunities... that's what I'm looking for at the moment.

PG-SG-SF-PF... that's 4 positions already filled with young talent, which includes an all-star and one of the best PGs in the league, and a top defender in his position for a SG.

[nickagneta]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

I agree. I just don't understand handicapping the rebuild right away by taking on possibly one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Danny isn't going to be able to leverage all this youth into Kevin Durant and Dwight Howard in a couple if years and add them to Rondo and do what he did with the Big Three. But even if he tries doing something like that he is going to need cap flexibility and this deal gave him none over then next three years. He had better be ready to package Rondo and parts(Bass?, Lee? Evans?) for some expiring deals or else things could be really bad around here for a long time.

[Fafnir]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

Cavs got a low level lottery pick for what, several million dollars in savings. That pick happened to hit a 2.8% miracle, even at the time the league thought that deal was crazy to be unprotected. (they couldn't protect it due to stepien rule I believe)

It was set to be the 8th/9th pick most of the time.

[Fafnir]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

I agree. I just don't understand handicapping the rebuild right away by taking on possibly one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Danny isn't going to be able to leverage all this youth into Kevin Durant and Dwight Howard in a couple if years and add them to Rondo and do what he did with the Big Three. But even if he tries doing something like that he is going to need cap flexibility and this deal gave him none over then next three years. He had better be ready to package Rondo and parts(Bass?, Lee? Evans?) for some expiring deals or else things could be really bad around here for a long time.

Even if KG/Pierce were gone for no salary we weren't going to have much cap room due to Terry/Lee/Bass/Green.

It costs us 10 million in room for the year we have only 19 million committed. Its a bad contract, but it doesn't set us back because we already had a terrible cap situation.

[Kuberski33]

The more I think about this trade, the better I like it.  There's a decent chance that New Jersey's win or bust strategy blows up on them either in 14-15 or the following year.  Those picks in 16-18 picks and the right to swap in 17...those could all be in the lottery.

[LarBrd33]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

Unload Humphries at the deadline (12 mil) for a team looking to dump a bad 3 year deal (or two) for the 2014 free agent class... and pick up another draft pick in the process.   We have Wallace on teh books for 3 years anyways and this team is in tank mode so it doesn't matter if we have cap space to add talent.   This could easily end up being FOUR 1st rounders for KG and Pierce by mid season.

[action781]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

Cavs got a low level lottery pick for what, several million dollars in savings. That pick happened to hit a 2.8% miracle, even at the time the league thought that deal was crazy to be unprotected. (they couldn't protect it due to stepien rule I believe)

It was set to be the 8th/9th pick most of the time.

Not only was it an extremely lucky hit by Cleveland, but it was a horrendous (borderline unprecedented) move by LAC to not protect that pick and a package you can't expect to be available on the market at all times.

[uconnceltic]

Something had to be done and while losing these three players is hard for the fans to deal with it needed to be done. Stockpiling picks for the next few years and developing the young players is the route to go in my opinion and in the Celtics. I trust them much more than people who think they know more than Danny Ainge.

[fairweatherfan]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

Cavs got a low level lottery pick for what, several million dollars in savings. That pick happened to hit a 2.8% miracle, even at the time the league thought that deal was crazy to be unprotected. (they couldn't protect it due to stepien rule I believe)

It was set to be the 8th/9th pick most of the time.

Thank you, it would've taken me a lot more words to unpack how disingenuous the Irving thing was.  Although, looking at the board, that 2011 draft was far better than people expected going in. 

But even at such a low probability that kind of deal was rare then and will probably never happen again as long as there are GMs that remember it.  Mix in that we're trying to move vets moving very quickly toward retirement, and it's not remotely a realistic standard for what Danny could've accomplished.

[erisred]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

He couldn't take the Cavs trade (if it was really ever on the table) and kept Pierce and KG together. I really do think, that was a consideration here. Danny was trying to do a good turn for Pierce and KG, getting them both onto a team with a shot at making a last run.

I think one little shred of sentiment crept into this decision. I think it came from Danny and from ownership and I think the C's got a little less of a deal than they possibly could have gotten, but they got it over fast and they did two...three...old warriors a favor. Thinking that makes *me* feel better about it and allows me to hope that a good deed now leads to good luck later.

[LooseCannon]

Accept not being a contender for a few years and rent out cap space to teams by trading for their bad contracts in exchange for picks and young players.  And be willing to take on bad non-expiring contracts. 

I agree that this is the right strategy, if you're going to rebuild.

So, what's the going rate for selling cap space?  The Cavs got Kyrie Irving.  We packaged two top-40 players, and took on a longer, worse contract, and we're getting substantially less than that.

If Danny insisted on a rebuild, he should have done the Cavs trade for the trade exception, and leveraged that to take on other teams' garbage in return for legit building blocks.

The Cavs got a ridiculous amount of value from a cheapskate owner.

I look around the league and the teams most likely to do something stupid are just too good to have a pick that would be a top five lottery pick in the next few years.  The options seem to be: wait for the Nets to suck, wait for the Clippers to suck, wait for the Knicks to suck, wait for the Suns to sign someone to a bad contract that they regret, or wait for someone to think that Isiah Thomas deserves another GM job.

I just don't see a team out there that is a good trading partner.  I'm also not convinced that the Cleveland deal was there for the taking.

Or we can root for Crash to play hard, get a few more concussions and be forced to retire for medical reasons within a year from now.