Boston BKN Blockbuster deal in works

[tyrone biggums]

Before this season, Gerald Wallace was a really fun player to watch. He's certainly not worth his contract, but if he can pull a Wade and show some flashes of Crash in Boston I'll be pretty stoked.

Yeah and don't forget, maybe Wallace just had an off year. But like yourself, I've always liked Wallace's game as I think he's a very tough defender. Also another thing getting lost in all this is getting Reggie Evans.

A tough defending big! What's there not to like?

I say a line up of Rondo, Bradley/Lee, Green/Wallace, Humph/Sully, Evans/Olynyk is going to be a very fun lineup to watch.

I challenge the proposition that that lineup would in any way be "fun" to watch.  It seems painful to watch to me.  Plus you forgot Bass which adds to the horror.  This team is going to be worse than Pitino years bad.  We don't even have flexibility to do anything money wise since we took on two contracts worse than the ones we dealt.

Horrid trade.

This is what this board has been begging for since 2007-2008. The fan base was always uneasy about being a contender. Well now you get what you've spent this era begging for. Instead of having cap space for guys like Kevin Love you take on freaking Crash and that garbage contract. Just awful

[LooseCannon]

I am disappointed by reports that Kris Joseph has been swapped into the deal and Toko Shengelia excluded.

Going out: Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry

Coming in: Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, Tornike Shengelia, Reggie Evans, Keith Bogans (via sign and trade), an unnamed minimum salary player, and 3 first round draft picks (2014, 2016, 2018)

Update: the Celtics will get Kris Joseph (that unnamed minimum player) and also the right to swap picks in 2017.

Says Celticsblog's front page.

 

Reporting is still pretty fresh on this.  As we've seen with breaking news, "fog of war" tends to lead to inaccurate reports that later have to be corrected.  NY Post beat writer Tim Bontemps says that Shengelia isn't included and the Nets Daily blog cites a league source that Shengelia isn't part of it (SB Nation blogs have league sources now?)  Ken Berger also says Shengelia isn't in.  Woj is the one who seems to have broken the inclusion of Joseph and the 2017 pick-swapping right and he doesn't mention Shengelia in his Yahoo article.

We'll probably get a more accurate picture tomorrow.

[The Playmaker]

If we can move Wallace then this deal will be perfect.  We can find trades for Humphries and Evans to make room for the younger guys.  Hopefully we can find landing spots for Bass and Lee as well.  We just need a PG to fill in for Rondo until he gets back.

As it stands it's an interesting team to watch.  How will Rondo come back? Can Bradley develop an offensive game?  How will Green handle being the main guy?  What will Sully do? Do we see Fab?  Not to mention our rookies.  Hell, I'm just really excited that we're going to be able to figure out our current players and see what they can really do.  One of the big advantages of blowing it up.

Either we tank or reload.  Considering Rondo is coming off a major injury I'm guessing we take our hits this upcoming year and contend again the next.

[JOMVP]

It stinks that we arent going to be getting any more answers on this roster till after July 10th when this thing can officially go through but I dont expect Humphries, Evans, or Bogans to be on this roster - and I hope to god that they can get someone to take Crash off our salary...

Charlotte, Atlanta, and Bos are gonna be working on some sort of deal that ends up getting Josh Smith here, I fully believe that.

[bfrombleacher]

Ainge really has his work cut out for him. Who said we had no bigs?

Hump
Bass
Sully
Melo
Kelly
Iverson
White
Randolph

Tired of small ball?

We can now literally run a lineup of 5 PF/C's.

Out of these 8 guys there are three that I would put in the decent category, while the rest go in the unknown, scrub or forget about it category. By the way, you guys forgot Evans, so 4 out of 9 are decent.

Who said anything about having a decent team?

DEATH TO SMALL BALL is all that matters!

[Jack_Frost]

It is sad, very sad (don't have enough words for it) to see KG and PP walk away, but at end Danny gets:

#1 pick 2014
#1 pick 2016
right to swap #1 pick 2017
#1 pick 2018

plus 7 mln cap space next year (KG + Terry= 17 mln, Wallace= 10 mln)

And remember the #1 pick 2015 from Clippers

Excellent return.
You must admit Nets gave away their future soul

[The Playmaker]

Yeah next year's pick may not be very great but once 2016 hits those picks will probably be gold.

[bfrombleacher]

Ainge really has his work cut out for him. Who said we had no bigs?

Hump
Bass
Sully
Melo
Kelly
Iverson
White
Randolph

Tired of small ball?

We can now literally run a lineup of 5 PF/C's.

Out of these 8 guys there are three that I would put in the decent category, while the rest go in the unknown, scrub or forget about it category. By the way, you guys forgot Evans, so 4 out of 9 are decent.

Who said anything about having a decent team?

DEATH TO SMALL BALL is all that matters!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Olynyk

I knew Olynyk was playing guard before his growth spurt.

Did not know he was playing POINT GUARD and did so until he was 6'10!

[LGC88]

Why everybody is saying Wallace is horrible.
The guy had a below average season, I agree. But look at his career stats and his attitude on the court. No doubt he can have 2 good seasons with us and be a nice trade chip for a big package to acquire an all-star in 2 years.

Olynyk is ready to play big minutes for us and will be a nice back up later on or a good trading chip too.

The rest of the players, expiring contracts and picks are just perfect. It gives Danny a 2 year window to be a contender again.

Do you think we can do better than what Danny just did for the franchise?
Wake up guys, stop being emotional. I'm very sad PP and KG are gone too but they will contend for a title next season and they left something to Danny for him to rebuild very fast.

[bfrombleacher]

Why everybody is saying Wallace is horrible.
The guy had a below average season, I agree. But look at his career stats and his attitude on the court. No doubt he can have 2 good seasons with us and be a nice trade chip for a big package to acquire an all-star in 2 years.

Olynyk is ready to play big minutes for us and will be a nice back up later on or a good trading chip too.

The rest of the players, expiring contracts and picks are just perfect. It gives Danny a 2 year window to be a contender again.

Do you think we can do better than what Danny just did for the franchise?
Wake up guys, stop being emotional. I'm very sad PP and KG are gone too but they will contend for a title next season and they left something to Danny for him to rebuild very fast.

The thing is:

Who the hell cares how good Gerald Wallace is? The rebuild is here for at the absolute very least a couple seasons.

So the flak is that his contract alone sucks. Hard. One of the worst contracts ever. Any remote chance that he plays up his value will be negated by the sheer absurdity of his horrid contract.

But you gain some you lose some. At this point in time, the cap space that Gerald Wallace is eating up is likely meaningless for a rebuilding team (a point seemingly overlooked).

Josh Smith is probably the only one we'd be making a run at. But with expiring contracts in Kim Kardashian, Reggie Evans and Bogans...the cap space again may not be needed. With the Jet off the books as well, there's way more flexibility. Add to that Smoove's desire to play in Boston (which may or may not be dissipate with this blockbuster trade, but this is all hypothetical anyway), if we want Josh Smith, we can get him even with one of the worst contracts in the history of basketball. I'm not fluent in this stuff but my impression is that sounds about right.

I like how Ainge is stockpiling assets, however.

[D.o.s.]

I would say that the people who are actually going to watch the games are the ones that care about how good Gerald Wallace is.

As illustrated in another CB thread a few days ago--it's much easier to embrace tanking when you're not going to watch the games, or have the option to turn off TV or change the channel. It gets harder when you're the fans in the stands.

Can you imagine what its like for the Bobcats fans, having to deal with an empty arena or an arena full of fans of the visiting team? That's not the reason most people go to see their team play, and it's a large part of the (valid bits of) resistance to rebuilding/tanking.

Hopefully, I'll actually be able to afford Celtics tickets. Unfortunately, I'll never have been in a situation to see our new Big 3 in the flesh. Try as I might, I just can't get super stoked to spend money to go see 48 minutes of Kelly Olynyk, but I'm much more excited about the possibility of a Crash throwback.

[bfrombleacher]

I would say that the people who are actually going to watch the games are the ones that care about how good Gerald Wallace is.

As illustrated in another CB thread a few days ago--it's much easier to embrace tanking when you're not going to watch the games, or have the option to turn off TV or change the channel. It gets harder when you're the fans in the stands.

Can you imagine what its like for the Bobcats fans, having to deal with an empty arena or an arena full of fans of the visiting team? That's not the reason most people go to see their team play, and it's a large part of the (valid bits of) resistance to rebuilding/tanking.

Hopefully, I'll actually be able to afford Celtics tickets. Unfortunately, I'll never have been in a situation to see our new Big 3 in the flesh. Try as I might, I just can't get super stoked to spend money to go see 48 minutes of Kelly Olynyk, but I'm much more excited about the possibility of a Crash throwback.

True. From a popularity standpoint this is a stinker.

My post was from a franchise future standpoint. Honestly, Wallace hustles like crazy and would be a better watch than, say, Tyrus Thomas or Darko Milicic or pre-2012 Blatch. Plus, perhaps Wallace just isn't cut for the spotlight. In a nothing-to-lose, stakes-free environment like this, perhaps he'll shine hard enough to make himself trade-able (after all, the Nets took Joe Johnson upon their inception. Stranger things have happened).

However, I'd get my rush watching the kids (AB, Sully, Olynyk...maybe Fab...maybe even JG (wowza if he develops like the extreme optimists hope)) grow.

I reckon you'd be watching JG?

Speaking of Green, hopefully they don't stunt his development. He's good at the 3. Play Gerald Wallace at the 2 or something.

We'll suck but it doesn't mean we won't be entertaining, I guess.

[D.o.s.]

they'd play Crash at the 4, I think. Brooklyn did, anyway.

But yes, I have no problem rooting for a losing team. I have a big problem rooting for a team that's hard to watch.

[Birdman]

This is possibly the worst day I've ever had as a Celtics fan. I could not be less of a fan of today's moves.

Len Bias death was worst hng ever but this is 2nd worse...bad draft and trade in one day!!!

[vjcsmoke]

A lot of people are bemoaning this deal, but to put it into perspective, please remember that KG was holding the keys because of his NTC.  He had the right to REFUSE any trade that didn't deal him to a contender.

The Nets with both KG and Pierce are a definite contender -
1 D Will 2 JJ 3 PP 4 KG 5 B Lopez.

Could we have squeezed more out of trading Pierce and KG?  Hard to say because KG could alway say NO and just shut it down no matter how good the deal was for the franchise.  If he didn't approve, it was a no go.

Wishing the best of Luck to PP and KG for a couple more title runs!  Hope they get a few more rings before all is said and done while the C's rebuild.  Guess I have a #2 team to root for while the Celtics go through their growing pains.