How comfortable are you building around Rajon Rondo?

[BballTim]

Very comfortable.

Why wouldn't I want to build around an All Star? Rondo just needs three things IMO to have a perfect team.

1.) A big (PF or C) who can hit midrange jumpers to play pick and pop with.

2.) A scoring wing. A guy who can create his own shots once the offense breaks down and who can shoot jumpers at a decent rate.

3.) A shooting wing who can park outside and hit threes consistently and if we're lucky, efficiently.

Give Rondo an open court to work with and a guy who can carry the offensive load with him, you have a great team that jells well. Of course it helps more if those three can do more things, such as defend, rebound at a high rate and stuff, but I think that's how you rebuild around a PG who can easily get to the basket and find open looks for his teammates. And I think with the assets that we have, we can find those players.

Yeah, I agree with you Yoki. I think it can be done but its eerily similar how the players you said compare to this eras "big 3"

1) Outside PF/C who can hit mid-range jumpers: Kevin Garnett

2) A scoring wing: Paul Pierce

3) A shooting wing who can park outside: Ray Allen

Is this what we're use to seeing? Or what Rondo really needs to be effective?

Those 3 things are basically what every title team of the last 25 or so years has (not a Rondo type player for the record).

  I'd say that title teams with wing players like PP and Ray are more the exception than the rule. If you can't name a decent amount of title teams that don't fit that mold you're not trying very hard.

[BballTim]

I have posted this before...

The only way to build around Rondo is to model a team after the Kidd led nets of the almost 10 years ago. Even this plan is flawed because these teams never won a ring and played in a then weak eastern conference. To make this type of team the Cs need to do the following.

1. Have a healthy Rondo play hard every night

2. Move AB to the bench and find a knock down 3pt shooter

3. Add a long athletic defender to the big man rotation

4. Sully or Kelly needs to become a solid starter 15-9 type guy

example

PG Rondo
SG Klay Thompson / Danny Green
SF Green
PF Sully
C  Sanders / Ibaka
6th AB
7th Wallace
8th Olynyk

obviously this team would be tough to build but this is what it will take to build around Rondo

  First of all you don't need a specific type of team to be successful with Rondo. We've had success with bigs like Perk and Shaq and Bass, we've had success with shooting guards like Ray or Bradley. Secondly, putting together a team with players similar to those listed would probably be easier than about 95% of the plans other people would come up with that don't involve Rondo.

[slamtheking]

Is Rondo ready or capable of being the leader and alpha dog of this team? Would you want him to be?

yes, very much so.

Danny needs to add talent around him to put it simply.  right now, the roster has a bunch of role players but no other studs.

With the plethora of upcoming draft picks, improving young players and $ coming off the books (over the next few years) for resigning the local talent or signing good FAs, I think this team will be on the rise sooner than a lot of people are expecting.

If Danny can pick up a SG that can actually shoot and defend and a starting-caliber center that defends and rebounds, this team would be at the top of the conference.  The draft and free agency in the next 2-3 years will provide the opportunity to get those players.

[CFAN38]

I have posted this before...

The only way to build around Rondo is to model a team after the Kidd led nets of the almost 10 years ago. Even this plan is flawed because these teams never won a ring and played in a then weak eastern conference. To make this type of team the Cs need to do the following.

1. Have a healthy Rondo play hard every night

2. Move AB to the bench and find a knock down 3pt shooter

3. Add a long athletic defender to the big man rotation

4. Sully or Kelly needs to become a solid starter 15-9 type guy

example

PG Rondo
SG Klay Thompson / Danny Green
SF Green
PF Sully
C  Sanders / Ibaka
6th AB
7th Wallace
8th Olynyk

obviously this team would be tough to build but this is what it will take to build around Rondo

  First of all you don't need a specific type of team to be successful with Rondo. We've had success with bigs like Perk and Shaq and Bass, we've had success with shooting guards like Ray or Bradley. Secondly, putting together a team with players similar to those listed would probably be easier than about 95% of the plans other people would come up with that don't involve Rondo.

I agree, I should have said "the best way" not the only way". While Rondo has had success with the bigs you listed he was not the central building block of those teams KG and Pierce where. There skill sets filled in multiple holes on the roster. 

This plan is more realistically achieved then many others but it also will require Rondo to be a top five player for this team to thrive. In 01-02 Kidd averaged 15pts 7rb 10ast 2stl a game and finished second in MVP voting and started all 82 games. Rondo is capable of that he just needs to play at the top of his game every night.

[BballTim]

I have posted this before...

The only way to build around Rondo is to model a team after the Kidd led nets of the almost 10 years ago. Even this plan is flawed because these teams never won a ring and played in a then weak eastern conference. To make this type of team the Cs need to do the following.

1. Have a healthy Rondo play hard every night

2. Move AB to the bench and find a knock down 3pt shooter

3. Add a long athletic defender to the big man rotation

4. Sully or Kelly needs to become a solid starter 15-9 type guy

example

PG Rondo
SG Klay Thompson / Danny Green
SF Green
PF Sully
C  Sanders / Ibaka
6th AB
7th Wallace
8th Olynyk

obviously this team would be tough to build but this is what it will take to build around Rondo

  First of all you don't need a specific type of team to be successful with Rondo. We've had success with bigs like Perk and Shaq and Bass, we've had success with shooting guards like Ray or Bradley. Secondly, putting together a team with players similar to those listed would probably be easier than about 95% of the plans other people would come up with that don't involve Rondo.

I agree, I should have said "the best way" not the only way". While Rondo has had success with the bigs you listed he was not the central building block of those teams KG and Pierce where. There skill sets filled in multiple holes on the roster. 

  Rondo controlled the offense as much when Shaq was on the team as he did last season when he was healthy.

[CelticG1]

Such a stupid conversation.

Yeah we can build around him if we get some other superstars. If we don't get superstars, no matter who we are building with, we aren't winning a championship

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm all for keeping Rondo to lead the team if possible.

I think to be able to KEEP him we are going to need a Superstar. .

I also think WIGGINS is critical to being able,to,resign Rondo.

There fore  I am all for a complete tank and chance at Wiggins

If DA doesn't get a superstar calibre player this year in the draft , I think he may have to,consider trading Rondo for the best  player he can get..

Without a superstar on the starting lineup ,  Rondo won't want to stay

This draft is  super important for the Celtics.   I could care less,about wins this year.

[Celtics18]

Very comfortable.

Why wouldn't I want to build around an All Star? Rondo just needs three things IMO to have a perfect team.

1.) A big (PF or C) who can hit midrange jumpers to play pick and pop with.

2.) A scoring wing. A guy who can create his own shots once the offense breaks down and who can shoot jumpers at a decent rate.

3.) A shooting wing who can park outside and hit threes consistently and if we're lucky, efficiently.

Give Rondo an open court to work with and a guy who can carry the offensive load with him, you have a great team that jells well. Of course it helps more if those three can do more things, such as defend, rebound at a high rate and stuff, but I think that's how you rebuild around a PG who can easily get to the basket and find open looks for his teammates. And I think with the assets that we have, we can find those players.

Yeah, I agree with you Yoki. I think it can be done but its eerily similar how the players you said compare to this eras "big 3"

1) Outside PF/C who can hit mid-range jumpers: Kevin Garnett

2) A scoring wing: Paul Pierce

3) A shooting wing who can park outside: Ray Allen

Is this what we're use to seeing? Or what Rondo really needs to be effective?

Those 3 things are basically what every title team of the last 25 or so years has (not a Rondo type player for the record).

The question I have for Yoki and others like him and that is how do you go about acquiring those players with Rondo on the team?  That is why I am fully in the move Rondo camp, as I just don't see it as being possible in the next couple of seasons (which is when you have Rondo on the right side of 30 or at all since he can leave as a free agent in 2 seasons).

1.)  Kelly Olynyk

2.)  Jeff Green

3.)  Avery Bradley?

This can't be serious can it?

Sure, I'm serious.  I'm not saying those guys are going to be Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen, but they do to some degree, respectively, fit the criteria presented by Yoki.

Don't get me wrong;  I'm not saying that I think we have the core in place to be a contender without additional upgrades in talent, but we do have a better core in place than many would have us believe.

That's my opinion on this team. 

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Why is which side of 30 Rondo is on such a massive anathema? Didn't Jason Kidd start on a title winning Mavs team just 3 years ago?

[ddb]

I'm okay with building around Rondo.  He's a terrific PG.  A team first guy.  But Ainge needs to surround Rondo with talent.  It'll be a work in progress, but it's possible. 

I've always said Rondo CANNOT be the best player on a Championship team.  That's just not possible because for as good as he is, he's also inconsistent and a bit of an enigma.  But he can 100% be your Point Guard and 2nd or 3rd best player. 

Rondo's ball handling and play making is truly incredible.  He takes so much pressure off his teammates.  But what Rondo needs is a couple guys who can carry the scoring load.  He needs a defensive anchor in the post that he can throw lobs too.  and he needs a coach that will co-exist well with him 

[Fafnir]

Why is which side of 30 Rondo is on such a massive anathema? Didn't Jason Kidd start on a title winning Mavs team just 3 years ago?

As their fourth best player. (maybe tied for third depending on what you thought of Marion that season)

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

He ran this offense pretty effectively though.

[CFAN38]

Such a stupid conversation.

Yeah we can build around him if we get some other superstars. If we don't get superstars, no matter who we are building with, we aren't winning a championship

The 2004 Pistons pulled it off

[bobbyv]

I'm comfortable.

[LooseCannon]

Very comfortable.

Why wouldn't I want to build around an All Star? Rondo just needs three things IMO to have a perfect team.

1.) A big (PF or C) who can hit midrange jumpers to play pick and pop with.

2.) A scoring wing. A guy who can create his own shots once the offense breaks down and who can shoot jumpers at a decent rate.

3.) A shooting wing who can park outside and hit threes consistently and if we're lucky, efficiently.

Give Rondo an open court to work with and a guy who can carry the offensive load with him, you have a great team that jells well. Of course it helps more if those three can do more things, such as defend, rebound at a high rate and stuff, but I think that's how you rebuild around a PG who can easily get to the basket and find open looks for his teammates. And I think with the assets that we have, we can find those players.

Yeah, I agree with you Yoki. I think it can be done but its eerily similar how the players you said compare to this eras "big 3"

1) Outside PF/C who can hit mid-range jumpers: Kevin Garnett

2) A scoring wing: Paul Pierce

3) A shooting wing who can park outside: Ray Allen

Is this what we're use to seeing? Or what Rondo really needs to be effective?

Those 3 things are basically what every title team of the last 25 or so years has (not a Rondo type player for the record).

The question I have for Yoki and others like him and that is how do you go about acquiring those players with Rondo on the team?  That is why I am fully in the move Rondo camp, as I just don't see it as being possible in the next couple of seasons (which is when you have Rondo on the right side of 30 or at all since he can leave as a free agent in 2 seasons).

I am hoping that Olynyk, Green, and Bradley can fill some of those roles and I would like to explore trading Sullinger and draft picks to find a replacement for whoever doesn't.