If you're mad with Danny Ainge....don't be. Give him a chance.

[wdleehi]

Of course he has a choice.  If the offers for your players are terrible, don't trade.

So let KG retire? Cut Pierce and pay him 5 million and don't get any picks, assets or anything? Don't let them compete for a championship now that we can't get one for them?
That helps us down the road doesn't it? Sometimes you have to forego pride for common sense and to give your future the best opportunity to be successful.
It's a tough pill to swallow and it consists of taking the majority of emotion out of your decision. This is almost impossible though as a sports fan because trades like this are a metaphor for 'the end' of an era.
All good things come to an end. Lets get something for a 37 year old KG while we can. Consider this a blessing that we'll get some picks and a young guy who we might be able to turn into a decent asset down the line.

Cap flexibility helps more the Jordon. 



The Celtics would have traded KG for him.  They will not let him just "expire"


They will either have to trade him (and his trade value is hurt by that contract) or extend him (with the likely raise)





What is this fear of guys leaving with out getting back something?  Draft picks teams have traded in the past for just money?

You've mentioned cap flexibility a few times. Where do we get this flexibility from? We can't force KG to retire. We owe him 20 million. he's not giving up 20 million because Danny decided to blow it up. The money's gotta be paid either way and there's no one else that wants KG's 20 million and KG won't let anyone but the Clippers pay that 20 million if it's not the Celtics.
The point of getting Jordan is that he either gets better in 2 years playing with Rondo at 35 minutes a night as the number one big man option, or he stays about the same and we trade his expiring deal when 2015 free agency comes along- getting the 'cap flexibility' that you're talking about.

Who said anything about this year? 


Patience. 

[chambers]

Of course he has a choice.  If the offers for your players are terrible, don't trade.

So let KG retire? Cut Pierce and pay him 5 million and don't get any picks, assets or anything? Don't let them compete for a championship now that we can't get one for them?
That helps us down the road doesn't it? Sometimes you have to forego pride for common sense and to give your future the best opportunity to be successful.
It's a tough pill to swallow and it consists of taking the majority of emotion out of your decision. This is almost impossible though as a sports fan because trades like this are a metaphor for 'the end' of an era.
All good things come to an end. Lets get something for a 37 year old KG while we can. Consider this a blessing that we'll get some picks and a young guy who we might be able to turn into a decent asset down the line.

Cap flexibility helps more the Jordon. 



The Celtics would have traded KG for him.  They will not let him just "expire"


They will either have to trade him (and his trade value is hurt by that contract) or extend him (with the likely raise)





What is this fear of guys leaving with out getting back something?  Draft picks teams have traded in the past for just money?

You've mentioned cap flexibility a few times. Where do we get this flexibility from? We can't force KG to retire. We owe him 20 million. he's not giving up 20 million because Danny decided to blow it up. The money's gotta be paid either way and there's no one else that wants KG's 20 million and KG won't let anyone but the Clippers pay that 20 million if it's not the Celtics.
The point of getting Jordan is that he either gets better in 2 years playing with Rondo at 35 minutes a night as the number one big man option, or he stays about the same and we trade his expiring deal when 2015 free agency comes along- getting the 'cap flexibility' that you're talking about.

Who said anything about this year? 


Patience.

Danny Ainge did. The 2014 draft did. The market did.
At 37 years old how many teams are willing to give up 2 draft picks AND their 24 year old starting center for a 37 year old with bone spurs?
There's one team at age 37.
How many teams will there be at age 38?
Or age 39?

I almost feel like you're trolling to an extent.
You're choice is to let KG retire for $6 million guaranteed, while we don't get under the cap anyway...opposed to getting back a 24 year old starting center on a Western conference 4th seeded team AND two first round picks.
So basically KG plays for the Celtics, even though we're dumping Paul Pierce and Doc Rivers is leaving, and he has a no trade clause that he's agreeing to break for us so we can get some assets rather than have him retire.

Yep you're definitely trolling now.

[wdleehi]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire. 

[BleedGreen1989]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

[Roy H.]

Yep you're definitely trolling now.

First, labeling others in a negative way is specifically against our rules, so please don't do it again.  Just because somebody is a staff member doesn't mean they can be personally attacked.

Second, how is the "cap flexibility" argument not valid?  If this deal goes through, we'd have almost our entire cap locked up for the next couple years, with one star and no superstars.  We'd have no chance to win, but no chance to be really bad, either.

Can you understand why two years of being in the late lottery with no cap space is something that some fans don't get excited about?

[Roy H.]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

[BleedGreen1989]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

That's a fair argument and one I can get behind but with Bass, Lee, and Terry on the books, would the cap space really make a difference this year or next year?

[Fafnir]

Second, how is the "cap flexibility" argument not valid?  If this deal goes through, we'd have almost our entire cap locked up for the next couple years, with one star and no superstars.  We'd have no chance to win, but no chance to be really bad, either.

The issue is we're far enough over the cap that even KG retiring and Pierce being waived doesn't get us much space.

If there are other moves that can be made to free up the cap that Danny anticipates then walking away is a much more attractive prospect than I think it is.

[wdleehi]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

That's a fair argument and one I can get behind but with Bass, Lee, and Terry on the books, would the cap space really make a difference this year or next year?

That's why they are the players I really want to see the Celtics try to move. 

[Fafnir]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

That's a fair argument and one I can get behind but with Bass, Lee, and Terry on the books, would the cap space really make a difference this year or next year?

That's why they are the players I really want to see the Celtics try to move.

Terry/Bass have negative trade value, you want to give up future picks to get expirings for them?

I don't think we'll necessarily be able to move them without sweetening the deal.

[BleedGreen1989]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

That's a fair argument and one I can get behind but with Bass, Lee, and Terry on the books, would the cap space really make a difference this year or next year?

That's why they are the players I really want to see the Celtics try to move.

If Danny could find a place to unload the combined $16mill or so owed to the 3 of them I'd very happily tell the Clippers to bug off and just take the pick for BeneDOC Arnold (yes I stole this and I'm using it now).

However, I'm not sure Danny can do this easily. Those contracts are not viewed as friendly contracts in the least bit.

[wdleehi]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

That's a fair argument and one I can get behind but with Bass, Lee, and Terry on the books, would the cap space really make a difference this year or next year?

That's why they are the players I really want to see the Celtics try to move.

If Danny could find a place to unload the combined $16mill or so owed to the 3 of them I'd very happily tell the Clippers to bug off and just tack the pick for BeneDOC Arnold (yes I stole this and I'm using it now).

However, I'm not sure Danny can do this easily. Those contracts are not viewed as friendly contracts in the least bit.

Didn't say it was easy.  And I wouldn't expect it to happen all at once. 


But it is doable. 

[CelticG1]

I can't get over people calling DeAndre Jordan a "Talented player"

Is this some sort of joke? He is an untalented player.

If your going to talk yourself into jordan at least be realistic he is a tall athletic young player and is about as raw as they come

I mean, right now if I had a team and was trying to get the best center available for this year he would probably be one of the llast centers I would pick. Just go down the list.

I mean he's pretty much on par with Chris freaking Andersen

[birdwatcher]

Of course he has a choice.  If the offers for your players are terrible, don't trade.

So let KG retire? Cut Pierce and pay him 5 million and don't get any picks, assets or anything? Don't let them compete for a championship now that we can't get one for them?
That helps us down the road doesn't it? Sometimes you have to forego pride for common sense and to give your future the best opportunity to be successful.
It's a tough pill to swallow and it consists of taking the majority of emotion out of your decision. This is almost impossible though as a sports fan because trades like this are a metaphor for 'the end' of an era.
All good things come to an end. Lets get something for a 37 year old KG while we can. Consider this a blessing that we'll get some picks and a young guy who we might be able to turn into a decent asset down the line.

Yes to this.
People on this board have overvalued KG's worth at this point in his career and think we're going to get back an All-Star. Jordan is not a great center, but he's young, tall, fast and athletic. He's simply a piece to a puzzle that's about to have a lot of holes to fill. If this goes down, Danny will be dealing all summer, and this team is about to get done blowed up.

[MBunge]

Trolling? 


That's your argument?



That I am trolling? 



My idea, do not make a bad trade just for the sake of trading.


Be patient. 


Let KG and Pierce play out their contracts if there are no good deals and the do not retire.

I respect your opinion WD, you seem to be a pretty smart guy.

What exactly is Danny suppose to do? I feel the leverage has been severely twisted in the favor of LA. Danny almost has to make this deal.

If this deal falls through, you don't really expect the gang to shrug their shoulders and all come back to Boston, do you?

Let them sign Doc, and get a pick as compensation.  Then, just let KG retire.  I'd rather let him go for nothing than take on DeAndre Jordan at $11 million+.

I can see some virtue in keeping KG or just letting him retire, but let's not kid ourselves.  Jordan averaged 8.8 pts and 7.2 rebs in just 24 minutes a game this regular season.  Here are some comparisons.

Spencer Hawes - 11 pts and 8.3 rebs in 27 minutes a game.
Omer Asik - 10.1 pts and 11.7 rebs in 30 minutes a game.
Joakim Noah - 11.9 pts and 11.1 rebs in 37 minutes a game.

I could go on and on but do I need to?  There is ZERO reason to believe Boston's going to sign a franchise center in free agency.  That means the choices are to hope the team sucks into the lottery and then hope they get lucky enough to suck just as a franchise center is coming out AND THEN get lucky enough to get one of the top picks.  The Celtics could suck for years without either of those last two things ever happening.

So, the choice is do you want to pay Deandre Jordan 11 mil a year or pay somebody else who may not be all that much better than Jordan that much or maybe a lot more?

And by the way, have people forgotten how old KG is?  If he goes to the Clippers and then suffers any kind of serious injury, it wouldn't be hard for them to wind up in the lottery next year.

Mike