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Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2013, 12:10:54 PM »

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It would be nice to have that kind of athleticism and size on the team.

Clearly, he needs some fine tuning on FTs, D and post moves ... but you can't teach nasty raw size and athleticism. Get some real big man and defensive coaching and he could be a nice piece.

Sounds like he is not a trouble maker, and is well liked around the league. Whether we bring in players with flaws or not, we gotta stick with bringing in good guys who can adopt the Celtic way.

All in all, I kinda hope we tell the Clips to EFF OFF for dilly dallying. We are looking to tee them up for next season and they're stalling. Not smaht. There are always alternatives for the Celts.

Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2013, 03:51:51 AM »

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Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2013, 03:53:15 AM »

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It would be nice to have that kind of athleticism and size on the team.

Clearly, he needs some fine tuning on FTs, D and post moves ... but you can't teach nasty raw size and athleticism. Get some real big man and defensive coaching and he could be a nice piece.

Sounds like he is not a trouble maker, and is well liked around the league. Whether we bring in players with flaws or not, we gotta stick with bringing in good guys who can adopt the Celtic way.

All in all, I kinda hope we tell the Clips to EFF OFF for dilly dallying. We are looking to tee them up for next season and they're stalling. Not smaht. There are always alternatives for the Celts.
there are alternatives, but i think danny's had his eyes on deandre for a while now.

Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2013, 04:02:24 AM »

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It would be nice to have that kind of athleticism and size on the team.

Clearly, he needs some fine tuning on FTs, D and post moves ... but you can't teach nasty raw size and athleticism. Get some real big man and defensive coaching and he could be a nice piece.

Sounds like he is not a trouble maker, and is well liked around the league. Whether we bring in players with flaws or not, we gotta stick with bringing in good guys who can adopt the Celtic way.

All in all, I kinda hope we tell the Clips to EFF OFF for dilly dallying. We are looking to tee them up for next season and they're stalling. Not smaht. There are always alternatives for the Celts.
there are alternatives, but i think danny's had his eyes on deandre for a while now.
I'm sure there are countless players Danny would rather have than DeAndre Jordan... DeAndre just happens to be the only vaguely valuable young player on the clippers making roughly the same amount of money as KG.  I bet we try to flip him to another team.

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« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2013, 04:06:34 AM »

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It would be nice to have that kind of athleticism and size on the team.

Clearly, he needs some fine tuning on FTs, D and post moves ... but you can't teach nasty raw size and athleticism. Get some real big man and defensive coaching and he could be a nice piece.

Sounds like he is not a trouble maker, and is well liked around the league. Whether we bring in players with flaws or not, we gotta stick with bringing in good guys who can adopt the Celtic way.

All in all, I kinda hope we tell the Clips to EFF OFF for dilly dallying. We are looking to tee them up for next season and they're stalling. Not smaht. There are always alternatives for the Celts.
there are alternatives, but i think danny's had his eyes on deandre for a while now.
I'm sure there are countless players Danny would rather have than DeAndre Jordan... DeAndre just happens to be the only vaguely valuable young player on the clippers making roughly the same amount of money as KG.  I bet we try to flip him to another team.
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Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2013, 04:12:59 AM »

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For him to average a double-double someone from the coaching staff has to instill in his mind that his main purpose for the team is to rebound.

I believe in the idea that every player should have a main role and stick to it and whatever comes after is gravy.

Someone has to tell him that "every shot that have been taken, he assumes it's a miss". He then will always be ready, boxing out, getting in position so he'll have the high chance of rebounding. If he does this in 30+ minutes a game with his athleticism, we are looking at 10-12 rebounds a game. There's your double digit on one category.

I can see DeAndre scoring 12-14 points per game too, if he plays around 30+ minutes. Fastbreaks alone, since not a lot of Centers can run with him is probably 6 points already. And since he's so focused on rebounding now, heck, maybe he gets two or three putbacks a game. There you go, a double double. But he needs to be a rebounder first! Everything will come to plays after that.
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« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2013, 05:54:27 AM »

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Last season (Per-36 minutes)he averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks.

So yes, he certainly could avearage a double double as long as he can stay on the court.

Jordan really isn't a bad player.  In fact last year he would have been pretty much the perfect complimentary player for this team - scores efficiently (off lops and putbacks only, but efficiently none the less), grabs a good number of rebounds, is a shot blocking machine. 

The problem isn't whether or not he can be productive.  The problem is that he is a role player getting paid KG/Rondo money.

Why is money a big deal?  Because of the salary cap.  The cap from memory currently sits at about $58M, which means  we would have Rondo, Green and Jordan taking up about 60% of our salary cap between them.  I can accept Rondo and Green because both of them have shown sgns that they can capable of being All-Star calibre players when they want to be. 

Paying that much to a role player like Jordan however means we are taking away opportunities to spend that money on a David West/Paul Millsap/Marcin Gortat type player...all of whom would be more productive than Jordan.

I'm still not convinced that this is the end plan though.  Buying out Pierce brings is down to the salary cap so it gives us a little bit of wiggle room, and this deal gives us a total of three 1st round draft picks as trade assets.  Then we have all the youngish players that Ainge has collected on our roster (Lee, Bass, Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, Williams, Crawford, etc). Ainge may well intend on keeping Jordan, but it wouldn't surprise me if he also swings a second deal to bring somebody like Millsap over here as well. 

If Ainge has his eyes on a role player from the draft who wouldn't be taken until the end of the first round, then he can trade our own #16 pick as well as the Clippers pick from next years (highly coveted) draft.  Even a late first round pick in 2014 is probably going to be worth a bit, as would our #16 now. 

Failing that Doc could try to move three first round picks to move up in to the top 5 this year. 

If I'm Danny right now the biggest wildcard is Pierce.  Rather than just buy him out, I'd be looking to get any assets we can for him that could either improve the team or hold trade value.  That means mainly hopefully either some young talent, a very good veteran who fills a role or some more draft picks.  Need to get everything we can to try to swing a big trade.

Another thing people aren't seeing is that there may be something 'outside the square'.  Everybody is looking at what deals will happen with Pierce, etc...but what about making a move for a PG?   If we could Pierce and some picks for a good starting PG then we could potentially pull of something like a Rondo for Dwight Howard deal.  The Lakers would love to have a great young PG like Rondo playing alongside Kobe and Gasol, and Dwight proably won't sign with them anyway.  Sending Rondo and Pierce to the Lakers would hurt, but if we could get Dwight (with a signed long-term contract) and a pick then maybe it's not such a bad idea...

Lakers could buy out Pierce if he didnt want to play there and he could go join his friends on the Clippers.

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« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2013, 06:11:54 AM »

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It would be nice to have that kind of athleticism and size on the team.

Clearly, he needs some fine tuning on FTs, D and post moves ... but you can't teach nasty raw size and athleticism. Get some real big man and defensive coaching and he could be a nice piece.

Sounds like he is not a trouble maker, and is well liked around the league. Whether we bring in players with flaws or not, we gotta stick with bringing in good guys who can adopt the Celtic way.

All in all, I kinda hope we tell the Clips to EFF OFF for dilly dallying. We are looking to tee them up for next season and they're stalling. Not smaht. There are always alternatives for the Celts.
there are alternatives, but i think danny's had his eyes on deandre for a while now.
I'm sure there are countless players Danny would rather have than DeAndre Jordan... DeAndre just happens to be the only vaguely valuable young player on the clippers making roughly the same amount of money as KG.  I bet we try to flip him to another team.

  That would depend on what they'd get back for him. I'd guess that the Celts (rightly) view your "burn it down and suck until you luck out in the draft" strategy as a last resort and will exhaust all other options before they jump off of that cliff.

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« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2013, 07:43:01 AM »

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I think Jordan will be better with RR PG for him than Paul.   RR sets guys up a little better than Jordan but only time will tell, if he rebounds and runs  he will get easy buckets.

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« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2013, 09:24:42 AM »

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Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2013, 09:37:04 AM »

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« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2013, 09:52:28 AM »

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Jordan had a higher rebounding percentage than anyone on the team except for Shavlik. With more minutes and a focus on just crashing the glass I think he could get us 10-12 boards a game.

On that note, Jordan and Sullinger if prompted by the coach to consistently crash the glass could move us from near the bottom of the league in rebounding to the top 10. Especially if Rondo is engaged the whole season and can get about 5 or 6 boards a game.
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Re: Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2013, 10:01:24 AM »

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I just can't talk myself into Jordan at all.

If not for some dunks and sports center moments he's basically like a poor man's Perk

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« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2013, 10:07:33 AM »

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I just can't talk myself into Jordan at all.

If not for some dunks and sports center moments he's basically like a poor man's Perk
Oh I think he will be much much better than Perk.
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« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2013, 10:11:38 AM »

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I personally have high but understanding hopes for Jordan. I think the Cs need to get a dedicated coach for he and melo (maybe Chief?). Add to that a head coach who is directed to focus on player development and Rondo taking the role as leader and I think Jordan has a chance to thrive.

I expect him to be a 10pt 8rb 2blk a game guy next season. If things go well and his now stunted development gets back on track I think he tops out as a 14pt 10rb guy.
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