Stop overreacting about Doc

[CelticConcourse]

I think it is only a matter of time until Doc leaves. Whether it is this summer or the next or the one after that. He clearly wants something different than what Boston is offering.

Well he can't stay forever

[kgainez]

Now I would agree with you on that front except for one major detail you left out, and I'm not even sure that its completely true, but its certainly been reported by a few sources:

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

Considering that Bledsoe is the major hangup in this deal, that to me is the worst thing Doc has done.

People also aren't reading between the lines of the bolded portion either.

Uh...he WANTS TO COACH IN LAC.
He's made the GAMEPLAN already that includes BLEDSOE.

I'm not sure how people are overreacting and why some of you are underreacting.
The writing is on the walls here, people. Doc doesn't really want to be here for a rebuild. He lied when he said that. He's also being manipulative trying to get out his contract. I don't think that's an overreaction, that's fact.

Doc wants to be in LAC with KG and probably PP.
Have we heard anything with Doc in Boston? No, guys. And there's a reason

[tyrone biggums]

Now I would agree with you on that front except for one major detail you left out, and I'm not even sure that its completely true, but its certainly been reported by a few sources:

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

Considering that Bledsoe is the major hangup in this deal, that to me is the worst thing Doc has done.

People also aren't reading between the lines of the bolded portion either.

Uh...he WANTS TO COACH IN LAC.
He's made the GAMEPLAN already that includes BLEDSOE.

I'm not sure how people are overreacting and why some of you are underreacting.
The writing is on the walls here, people. Doc doesn't really want to be here for a rebuild. He lied when he said that. He's also being manipulative trying to get out his contract. I don't think that's an overreaction, that's fact.

Doc wants to be in LAC with KG and probably PP.
Have we heard anything with Doc in Boston? No, guys. And there's a reason

Well except for the fact Ainge has said Doc has been around pretty much everyday. But other than him being to work almost every day your right...no one has heard anything about Doc in Boston. Again...how do we know the Bledsoe rumor is legit? Nothing is confirmed. I've heard that Pierce will get bought out and continue his career in the CBA. The rumor is 100% legit folks! Pierce is heading to China!!!!!

SMH

[kozlodoev]

This thread is hilarious. Anyone ever thought that having to let Doc go would be the only way that the Clippers would consider trading for Garnett?

Just because Doc would be open to coaching in LA doesn't mean he has any sort of active traction in this trade. As a matter of fact, my guess would be that this is Ainge trying to get the best package the team could get in a trade, and having to let go of Doc is a classic case of "you have to give something to get something" rather than Ainge's (or, indeed, Doc's) first preference.

[ItStaysYang]

This thread is hilarious. Anyone ever thought that having to let Doc go would be the only way that the Clippers would consider trading for Garnett?

Just because Doc would be open to coaching in LA doesn't mean he has any sort of active traction in this trade. As a matter of fact, my guess would be that this is Ainge trying to get the best package the team could get in a trade, and having to let go of Doc is a classic case of "you have to give something to get something" rather than Ainge's (or, indeed, Doc's) first preference.

Perhaps Doc going has more to do with KG's will to waive his trade clause. Ainge probably started the domino effect a few weeks ago and determined that he wants to shake up the roster. Best way to ship KG and/or PP? Send the coach with them - the "only coach" KG says he will play for. Add the 3 years on River's contract and he becomes a lucrative trade piece as well.

Regarding Bledsoe - why would Doc (presumably) want to avoid a rebuild here, only to end up in the same stale situation as last season in LA if they give up too much in return?

Either way - is this analagous to a breakup? Why are so many people taking it personally and bitter with Doc for something he probably has little say in? He has not yet come out to say that he's done coaching this team or has no interest. Can't anyone see that at the end of the day, he wants to do what's best for him, regardless of what a bunch of whiny homers think? Homers that have little to no true insight as to what is really happening...

[mmmmm]

We can all admit that we don't know anything about this situation,but if this stuff was really "made up" Doc could end some of the heavy talking by sending a simple text like "The reports are inaccurate" or some mess like that.

When he was asked through text message, a week or so ago,about whether he'd return to the team and his response was "I'd rather not say" pretty much left the flood gates open for this type of banter.

Unless Danny is driving all this.

For all we know - and we literally don't know anything - Danny could have initiated the whole idea of trading Doc in order to get the 'KG for Jordan & Bledsoe' deal unstuck, given that KG has a no-trade and KG has stated he would not play for another coach than Rivers.

If that is the case, then Danny would not want Doc saying a darn thing to the media until everything is settled one way or another.

For all the hate on Doc for not just 'killing this drama with a simple statement', KG could also have killed all this drama at any point by just adamantly saying, "No."

KG holds the ultimate card that could kill this deal.

[sed522002]

We can all admit that we don't know anything about this situation,but if this stuff was really "made up" Doc could end some of the heavy talking by sending a simple text like "The reports are inaccurate" or some mess like that.

When he was asked through text message, a week or so ago,about whether he'd return to the team and his response was "I'd rather not say" pretty much left the flood gates open for this type of banter.

Unless Danny is driving all this.

For all we know - and we literally don't know anything - Danny could have initiated the whole idea of trading Doc in order to get the 'KG for Jordan & Bledsoe' deal unstuck, given that KG has a no-trade and KG has stated he would not play for another coach than Rivers.

If that is the case, then Danny would not want Doc saying a darn thing to the media until everything is settled one way or another.

For all the hate on Doc for not just 'killing this drama with a simple statement', KG could also have killed all this drama at any point by just adamantly saying, "No."

KG holds the ultimate card that could kill this deal.

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

[connor]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

It pushes the anti Doc agenda so who cares about sources!!!

this!!!! tp!!!

Firstly tyrone biggums and Celticsconcourse read my actual post before jumping down my throat. I said I don't know if it is true, but that its been reported, so I'm not claiming it to be absolute fact. I didn't dig out the actual Woj quote (I should have and was lazy), but someone else did so feel free to check it out.

And before you blast "sources" Woj is pretty [dang]ed reliable in terms of NBA breaking news.

On top of that I'm a big Doc fan and supporter and I said I agree with the OP about not overreacting on Doc, BUT IF that is true, and I put a lot of stock in Woj (and again not enough to say that it was absolute fact, I said it might not be true, because even the best are wrong sometimes) THEN I would be upset with him because he is negatively impacting the C's leverage.

Again upset, not irate, not furious, upset. I'm not pushing any ANTI-DOC AGENDA, just commenting on reports.

Even if it is true I can totally understand why he would want to keep the Clips strong since their window with KG and PP would be small, but at the same time I would hope that Doc as a show of good faith to the C's who have been good to him would want the deal to work out for our rebuilding efforts as well.

A better topic for this forum would be STOP OVERREACTING PERIOD. Both sides right now on this board are just yelling at each other and not adding anything. There are plenty of people right now sitting back and not saying anything because they don't want to get involved in any of the pointless arguments going around based purely on conjecture.

If people want to comment on some of the actual reports out there, thats fine. Some might argue even that is too soon because no one knows who is right and wrong until the teams actually put stuff out there.

But calling out people who are actually just trying to analyze the reports from sources is a waste of your time.

[kozlodoev]

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

Circular logic for the win.

[sed522002]

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

Circular logic for the win.

Actually it's speculating...which is the premise of this thread. Nobody knows the intentions, nobody has a direct answer, and we don't know what's really going on. So we engage each other with what "WE" think is going on. We're all answering each other with opinions and not facts.

[sed522002]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

It pushes the anti Doc agenda so who cares about sources!!!

this!!!! tp!!!

Firstly tyrone biggums and Celticsconcourse read my actual post before jumping down my throat. I said I don't know if it is true, but that its been reported, so I'm not claiming it to be absolute fact. I didn't dig out the actual Woj quote (I should have and was lazy), but someone else did so feel free to check it out.

And before you blast "sources" Woj is pretty [dang]ed reliable in terms of NBA breaking news.

On top of that I'm a big Doc fan and supporter and I said I agree with the OP about not overreacting on Doc, BUT IF that is true, and I put a lot of stock in Woj (and again not enough to say that it was absolute fact, I said it might not be true, because even the best are wrong sometimes) THEN I would be upset with him because he is negatively impacting the C's leverage.

Again upset, not irate, not furious, upset. I'm not pushing any ANTI-DOC AGENDA, just commenting on reports.

Even if it is true I can totally understand why he would want to keep the Clips strong since their window with KG and PP would be small, but at the same time I would hope that Doc as a show of good faith to the C's who have been good to him would want the deal to work out for our rebuilding efforts as well.

A better topic for this forum would be STOP OVERREACTING PERIOD. Both sides right now on this board are just yelling at each other and not adding anything. There are plenty of people right now sitting back and not saying anything because they don't want to get involved in any of the pointless arguments going around based purely on conjecture.

If people want to comment on some of the actual reports out there, thats fine. Some might argue even that is too soon because no one knows who is right and wrong until the teams actually put stuff out there.

But calling out people who are actually just trying to analyze the reports from sources is a waste of your time.

^Exactly...no one on this site is offering "truth" because guess what, we don't know what's true. All we know is there are TOO many reports and anybody would be curious as to what's really going on.

If this coaching situation was happening with the Lakers we'd be talking about how they're a complete mess and joke.

[kozlodoev]

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

Circular logic for the win.

Actually it's speculating...which is the premise of this thread. Nobody knows the intentions, nobody has a direct answer, and we don't know what's really going on. So we engage each other with what "WE" think is going on. We're all answering each other with opinions and not facts.

Yes, but "KG is not to talk openly about his situation when Doc hasn't, therefore Doc is the driving force behind this and KG isn't" is pretty bad form, even for speculation

I still think the correct answer to the above dilemma contains the words "neither" and "Ainge".

[sed522002]

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

Circular logic for the win.

Actually it's speculating...which is the premise of this thread. Nobody knows the intentions, nobody has a direct answer, and we don't know what's really going on. So we engage each other with what "WE" think is going on. We're all answering each other with opinions and not facts.

Yes, but "KG is not to talk openly about his situation when Doc hasn't, therefore Doc is the driving force behind this and KG isn't" is pretty bad form, even for speculation

I still think the correct answer to the above dilemma contains the words "neither" and "Ainge".

And you're still just giving "YOUR" opinion on something you know nothing about. Just like I am. I never said anybody was a driving force, I responded to the person saying KG could have spoken up. Nothing more, nothing less. You're not in the room with Ainge or Rivers so your knowledge and opinion of the situation is like everyone's on this site..pointless.

[mmmmm]

We can all admit that we don't know anything about this situation,but if this stuff was really "made up" Doc could end some of the heavy talking by sending a simple text like "The reports are inaccurate" or some mess like that.

When he was asked through text message, a week or so ago,about whether he'd return to the team and his response was "I'd rather not say" pretty much left the flood gates open for this type of banter.

Unless Danny is driving all this.

For all we know - and we literally don't know anything - Danny could have initiated the whole idea of trading Doc in order to get the 'KG for Jordan & Bledsoe' deal unstuck, given that KG has a no-trade and KG has stated he would not play for another coach than Rivers.

If that is the case, then Danny would not want Doc saying a darn thing to the media until everything is settled one way or another.

For all the hate on Doc for not just 'killing this drama with a simple statement', KG could also have killed all this drama at any point by just adamantly saying, "No."

KG holds the ultimate card that could kill this deal.

Woj reported that he's willing to drop the clause, but KG really doesn't have to say a word. Why would he? He's not about to openly talk about this situation when Doc hasn't made the move to do so. He's following suite. Plus, during the off season KG likes to disappear from the basketball scene. So getting a quote from KG will not happen.

The point is that there is a double standard at play.   KG is not expected to give anyone a quote.  Yet folks are jumping all over Doc for not giving them a quote.

smh

[ItStaysYang]

When has ANYONE from Boston been known to openly divulge club-related matters?

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