Stop overreacting about Doc

[ItStaysYang]

He leaves, we get a loaded deal that helps speed the Celtics through a painful rebuild. Unlikely at this point, but Danny wouldn't have it any other way.

He stays, we keep a great coach who is undoubtedly the guy you would want on your side during a rebuild. Guy isn't going to be singing the Clippers praises if he commits to coming back. Not only that, but who knows how "hard" he has tried to actually leave? It has all been based on speculation and Doc himself has been mum on the subject. For all we know, it could have been a couple 20 minutes conversations which the media portrayed as "immense interest" or "Doc's dream" or any of the other ridiculous titles I've heard.

So yeah. Either he stays and the Celtics basically rebuild or he leaves and we fast-track the rebuild process a bit with better players but a less ideal coach.

The good times don't last forever people, wake up

[clover]

Why is Doc, reluctant or not, undoubtedly the guy you want by your side during a rebuild?

[ItStaysYang]

Because despite his shortcomings (preference on playing veterans, this and that), he is an extremely knowledgeable coach with a ton of experience in the NBA and as a Celtic. Depending on how this off season goes I would love to see what Doc does when confronted with a situation where he has to rely less on star-studded players and more on other role players to win games.

A lot of title backfires have been blamed on Doc, which I think is ludicrous. This team has been marred by injuries each and every year since 08 which have had an impact on every post season since.

Regardless of what any critic says, Doc has a proven NBA resume and is more or less passionate about coaching the Celtics.

Who would you prefer? Larry Drew? Not saying there aren't other coaches out there that would not be able to do the job, but we already have Doc and I hope he sticks around.

[connor]

Now I would agree with you on that front except for one major detail you left out, and I'm not even sure that its completely true, but its certainly been reported by a few sources:

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

Considering that Bledsoe is the major hangup in this deal, that to me is the worst thing Doc has done.

It's important to note that its not known whether this actually had any impact on the Clippers trade talks (although I have to assume that at the very least it reaffirmed their position of not including Bledsoe), but its seriously poor form on Doc's part in my opinion.

I'm not all that bothered if Doc wants/wanted to go to the Clippers and bring KG and PP along with him, I love Doc, but if he doesn't want to be here we are probably better off getting someone else. BUT when he starts to negatively impact the potential deal the Celtics are working on to get that done, thats where I start getting upset with Rivers.

That first deal including Jordan and Bledsoe, works out for everyone involved from a Celtics POV. Doc, KG and PP go for another ring on a stacked squad and the C's get a nice package of young talent and picks to help the rebuild. Without Bledsoe though the C's really get the short end of the stick in the deal, so not only is Doc leaving with our vets, but we'd get hosed in the process. Thats upsetting to me.

[CelticConcourse]

Because despite his shortcomings (preference on playing veterans, this and that), he is an extremely knowledgeable coach with a ton of experience in the NBA and as a Celtic.

Great point, ItStaysYang.

[tyrone biggums]

Now I would agree with you on that front except for one major detail you left out, and I'm not even sure that its completely true, but its certainly been reported by a few sources:

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

Considering that Bledsoe is the major hangup in this deal, that to me is the worst thing Doc has done.

It's important to note that its not known whether this actually had any impact on the Clippers trade talks (although I have to assume that at the very least it reaffirmed their position of not including Bledsoe), but its seriously poor form on Doc's part in my opinion.

I'm not all that bothered if Doc wants/wanted to go to the Clippers and bring KG and PP along with him, I love Doc, but if he doesn't want to be here we are probably better off getting someone else. BUT when he starts to negatively impact the potential deal the Celtics are working on to get that done, thats where I start getting upset with Rivers.

That first deal including Jordan and Bledsoe, works out for everyone involved from a Celtics POV. Doc, KG and PP go for another ring on a stacked squad and the C's get a nice package of young talent and picks to help the rebuild. Without Bledsoe though the C's really get the short end of the stick in the deal, so not only is Doc leaving with our vets, but we'd get hosed in the process. Thats upsetting to me.

This is getting quite annoying. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?! Did you know that KG wants to play in Afghanistan next year? My sources told me that's a hang up in this deal. Please pay me for my "news"

[fairweatherfan]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

[jambr380]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

From Wojo:

"Biggest reason Clippers are reluctant to part with Bledsoe in deal to Celtics? Besides he's a trade asset, Rivers wants to coach him w/ CP3."

[tyrone biggums]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

It pushes the anti Doc agenda so who cares about sources!!!

[CelticConcourse]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

It pushes the anti Doc agenda so who cares about sources!!!

this!!!! tp!!!

[fairweatherfan]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

From Wojo:

Biggest reason Clippers are reluctant to part with Bledsoe in deal to Celtics? Besides he's a trade asset, Rivers wants to coach him w/ CP3.

Thanks, TP.  Yeah, if that's accurate it sounds pretty messed up.  But it doesn't necessarily mean that Doc told the Clippers not to trade Bledsoe, just that the Clippers know he likes the idea of using Bledsoe and CP in the same backcourt.  And that's assuming it's true, of course. 

[Monkhouse]

Doc told the Clippers to not include Eric Bledsoe in any trade deals with the Celtics because he wants to coach him in LA.

I've seen a couple posters say this - where is this coming from?  It would be very bad form if true, but that's a pretty massive if.  What are the sources here?

From Wojo:

"Biggest reason Clippers are reluctant to part with Bledsoe in deal to Celtics? Besides he's a trade asset, Rivers wants to coach him w/ CP3."

Doesn't mean he explicitly said he wants him to stay in Clippers. He probably just said he'd love to coach Bledsoe, and CP3. Why not? Two good young point guards, with Bledsoe having good potential that needs to be untapped.

[sed522002]

We can all admit that we don't know anything about this situation,but if this stuff was really "made up" Doc could end some of the heavy talking by sending a simple text like "The reports are inaccurate" or some mess like that.

When he was asked through text message, a week or so ago,about whether he'd return to the team and his response was "I'd rather not say" pretty much left the flood gates open for this type of banter.

[Who]

I think it is only a matter of time until Doc leaves. Whether it is this summer or the next or the one after that. He clearly wants something different than what Boston is offering.

Doc is not going to be like a Jerry Sloan or Gregg Popovich and stay here for the next 8-10 years. Doc is more interested in other things (whatever they may be) than he is in staying here, in stability, in making an even greater legacy for himself in this town.

So, I would just like to send Doc to LAC now because they are dumb enough to give the C's first round draft pick(s) for Doc. I don't see any other teams offering that. Or any other teams offering first round picks for a head coach anywhere. Take the deal.

The Celtics are going to lose Doc regardless. It is just a question of time. Would you rather take the draft picks or get something of far less value and perhaps even nothing? Personally, I want the picks.

[PhoSita]

I think it is only a matter of time until Doc leaves. Whether it is this summer or the next or the one after that. He clearly wants something different than what Boston is offering.

Doc is not going to be like a Jerry Sloan or Gregg Popovich and stay here for the next 8-10 years. Doc is more interested in other things (whatever they may be) than he is in staying here, in stability, in making an even greater legacy for himself in this town.

So, I would just like to send Doc to LAC now because they are dumb enough to give the C's first round draft pick(s) for Doc. I don't see any other teams offering that. Or any other teams offering first round picks for a head coach anywhere. Take the deal.

The Celtics are going to lose Doc regardless. It is just a question of time. Would you rather take the draft picks or get something of far less value and perhaps even nothing? Personally, I want the picks.

Agreed.  They shouldn't let Doc go for nothing; they have to get something in return for him.

But at this point I don't want Doc back as a coach, because he clearly doesn't want to be here.

I dont' want a coach who isn't 100% invested in making the most of this situation.  I want a coach who is excited to be here and build something with this team.