Clippers and Celtics Talking Deal

[CelticsFan9]

Why are people enamored with Jordan so much?

Because he scores when he gets the ball (whether that's because he only dunks or teams sag off of him, it doesn't matter), and because he's good at swatting the ball and gives us the rebounding big we've desperately needed for years.

He averaged fewer rebounds per game than KG last year, both in the regular season and playoffs.  Now, KG did play more minutes (about 5 more during regular season), but it's not like there's some other rebounding demon on the Clippers that's snagging boards away from Jordan.

He also shoots 39% from the line.  And he shoots 64% on way fewer shot attempts than KG.  He's very limited offensively.

He blocked 1.4 shots a game in the regular season, and 1.7 in the playoffs.  Just because he swats the ball into the stands (which is a stupid basketball play, BTW) and gets on SC doesn't mean he's a good defender.

[WeMadeIt17]

I think we get Jordan and i like it. I want him. He is very long, athletic, and is young! He is only 24. If you get a coach that'll play him he will be a good player.

[CelticsFan9]

I think we get Jordan and i like it. I want him. He is very long, athletic, and is young! He is only 24. If you get a coach that'll play him he will be a good player.

Would you pay him $11 million next year and $12 million the year after that?

[Celtics Insider]

He averaged fewer rebounds per game than KG last year, both in the regular season and playoffs.  Now, KG did play more minutes (about 5 more during regular season), but it's not like there's some other rebounding demon on the Clippers that's snagging boards away from Jordan.

He also shoots 39% from the line.  And he shoots 64% on way fewer shot attempts than KG.  He's very limited offensively.

He blocked 1.4 shots a game in the regular season, and 1.7 in the playoffs.  Just because he swats the ball into the stands (which is a stupid basketball play, BTW) and gets on SC doesn't mean he's a good defender.

KG also played almost 30 minutes a game. And Jordan's real value is offensive rebounding. As for his free throw shooting, who cares? He gets to the line so much that he scores more points per shot. Who cares HOW he scores, as long as he scores more points per shot than most players in the NBA? Every time he shoots the ball, he scores about 1.5 points on average. Is he limited? Yes. Will he ever be a 15 PPG scorer? No. But, when he does shoot, does he produce points? Yes.

I also never said he was a good defender, I said that he could swat balls well.

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[WeMadeIt17]

I think we get Jordan and i like it. I want him. He is very long, athletic, and is young! He is only 24. If you get a coach that'll play him he will be a good player.

The deal is not happening with Bledsoe and rightfully so. I don't want Jordan on this team. I don't understand  why you like him so much .

lol you guys are so confrontational i am not saying the guy is the next Ewing or Hakeem. But he helps us move forward. He fills the gap of a big man. He is a capable starter in this league.

We aren't winning anything next year with the team we have so we have to move on and gather pieces. Nobody thought Perk was a starting center in this league but he played D and would rebound. But his Avg's are just like Deandre. If we eventually add better players around him he fills the need of Defense, Rebounding, And finishing around the rim.


For a fan base that loved Perk so much there isn't much different between the two except Jordan is way more athletic.

[CelticsFan9]

He averaged fewer rebounds per game than KG last year, both in the regular season and playoffs.  Now, KG did play more minutes (about 5 more during regular season), but it's not like there's some other rebounding demon on the Clippers that's snagging boards away from Jordan.

He also shoots 39% from the line.  And he shoots 64% on way fewer shot attempts than KG.  He's very limited offensively.

He blocked 1.4 shots a game in the regular season, and 1.7 in the playoffs.  Just because he swats the ball into the stands (which is a stupid basketball play, BTW) and gets on SC doesn't mean he's a good defender.

KG also played almost 30 minutes a game. And Jordan's real value is offensive rebounding. As for his free throw shooting, who cares? He gets to the line so much that he scores more points per shot. Who cares HOW he scores, as long as he scores more points per shot than most players in the NBA? Every time he shoots the ball, he scores about 1.5 points on average. Is he limited? Yes. Will he ever be a 15 PPG scorer? No. But, when he does shoot, does he produce points? Yes.

I also never said he was a good defender, I said that he could swat balls well.

I referenced the minutes difference in my first post.

Also, FT shooting is more important that you think it is, because that's the main reason he wasn't on the floor down the stretch.  For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?  He was such a liability at the line that VDN couldn't play him, not even in the last two minutes when you can't hack-a-whoever and get away with it.

"swats ball well" doesn't equal 1.4 blocks a game.  It just doesn't.

[CelticsFan9]

I think we get Jordan and i like it. I want him. He is very long, athletic, and is young! He is only 24. If you get a coach that'll play him he will be a good player.

The deal is not happening with Bledsoe and rightfully so. I don't want Jordan on this team. I don't understand  why you like him so much .

lol you guys are so confrontational i am not saying the guy is the next Ewing or Hakeem. But he helps us move forward. He fills the gap of a big man. He is a capable starter in this league.

We aren't winning anything next year with the team we have so we have to move on and gather pieces. Nobody thought Perk was a starting center in this league but he played D and would rebound. But his Avg's are just like Deandre. If we eventually add better players around him he fills the need of Defense, Rebounding, And finishing around the rim.


For a fan base that loved Perk so much there isn't much different between the two except Jordan is way more athletic.

Nobody is saying Jordan sucks (or at least I'm not).

What I'm saying is he's nowhere near worth the money he's getting paid, and for a team that, as you said, isn't "winning anything next year," his contract kills the rebuilding process (and how fast it goes).

[Celtics Insider]

For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?

Are you implying that he doesn't produce more points per shot than most NBA players? The statistics say otherwise. Yes, his FT% is HORRIBLE, but, again, he produces more points per shot than most NBA players, so it really is irrelevant. Despite his poor FT shooting, he STILL scores 1.5 PPS. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his FT shooting.

[AB_Celtic]

For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?

Are you implying that he doesn't produce more points per shot than most NBA players? The statistics say otherwise. Yes, his FT% is HORRIBLE, but, again, he produces more points per shot than most NBA players, so it really is irrelevant. Despite his poor FT shooting, he STILL scores 1.5 PPS. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his FT shooting.

He's that efficient because 80% of his shots are dunks and layups.

[CelticsFan9]

For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?

Are you implying that he doesn't produce more points per shot than most NBA players? The statistics say otherwise. Yes, his FT% is HORRIBLE, but, again, he produces more points per shot than most NBA players, so it really is irrelevant. Despite his poor FT shooting, he STILL scores 1.5 PPS. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his FT shooting.

I'm not disputing your point about Jordan's points per shot.  It's above-average; I get it.

The point I was trying to make is that, despite him producing "more points per shot that most NBA players," he couldn't stay on the floor during crunch time, mainly because of his offensive limitations.  That's a fact.

And I don't buy into the whole, 'what if player X improved FT shooting?'  I gave up on Rondo's ability to do that years ago.  Now I just hope his midrange and three can become much better.  Jordan's FT% DECREASED by 14% from 11/12 to 12/13.  In other words, that's not good.

[CelticsFan9]

For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?

Are you implying that he doesn't produce more points per shot than most NBA players? The statistics say otherwise. Yes, his FT% is HORRIBLE, but, again, he produces more points per shot than most NBA players, so it really is irrelevant. Despite his poor FT shooting, he STILL scores 1.5 PPS. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his FT shooting.

He's that efficient because 80% of his shots are dunks and layups.

100%*

[kgainez]

DeAndre Jordan or Chris Wilcox?

[CelticConcourse]

For all your talk about him producing points more than most NBA players, don't you think he would've played more?

Are you implying that he doesn't produce more points per shot than most NBA players? The statistics say otherwise. Yes, his FT% is HORRIBLE, but, again, he produces more points per shot than most NBA players, so it really is irrelevant. Despite his poor FT shooting, he STILL scores 1.5 PPS. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his FT shooting.

He's that efficient because 80% of his shots are dunks and layups.

100%*

It's still pretty good.

[CelticConcourse]

DeAndre Jordan or Chris Wilcox?

An idiot would say Chris Wilcox.

Paul George or Sasha Pavlovic?