Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?

[CelticG1]

Since he's under contract he wouldn't be able to coach unless we gave him permission or his contract ran out.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if Doc has a private agreement with Ainge/ownership that if the team goes into a full rebuild without Pierce/Garnett, that the team will let him do what he wants and the hold-up is that Ainge hasn't figured out yet if he can reload rather than rebuild.

I really doubt that to be honest. I think you are going way out there on a limb with that speculation.

If the Celtics trade Pierce or KG Doc has a hand shake agreement saying that he can leave and go coach somewhere else? Seriously?

[kgainez]

Long time creeper, first time poster, HI EVERYONE

and I say hell no!

Doc has given his life, sweat and tears to this team. If he feels it's time for a new chapter in his life, that's ok by me.

It would hurt like crazy but in my mind, Doc deserves the very best in whatever he chooses to do.

Uhh...Ray Allen didn't make sacrifices for this team?
Doc is a front running coach
he's been exposed this last season
let him go guys. let he and the big 3 go, including Ray.
the big 3 era shoulda been over with...im excited at the possiblity of the future

can u imagine how cheap tickets will be to see wizards (nearest nba team) vs the celtics this year? $15 to see jeff green? yea...i'm with it.

I'd also feel like Doc is being a traitor. That's just ring chasing. And you have a contract. I'd just hope DA can get lots for all 3 of these folks.

[rutzan]

i'm a little disturbed...in the real world...especially in business...contracts are enforceable in a court of law...a prime example unfortunately was the mortgage crisis...if you defaulted on your loan then the bank took your house...that was the cold hard facts and reality...i guess getting compensation would soften the blow...maybe there is some hidden handshake agreement...it does make you wonder about keeping your word, keeping your agreements and integrity...then it leaves the realm of absolutes and enters the world of relativity where someone can do whatever is right in there own eyes...whether you signed a contract or not...what's the point of signing a contract in the first place...the thing that is really bothersome is that it is extremely easy to add some type of early opt-out clause...and...i'm sure we would have heard if doc had an opt-out clause by now...i mean we're talking millions of dollars and i'm sure attorneys were involved...and no one thought of that...it's not rocket science....to me...that is an egregious act of needless ignorance...with an early opt-out clause everyone saves face and keeps their integrity...really disappointing...i kinda get the sense there is lot of little subplots of manipulation going on...

[D.o.s.]

Probably will be nothing like Ray, but first we'd need to know if he's leaving and then we'd need to know the circumstances.

I haven't heard him saying anything.  Certainly haven't heard him say he wants to coach for another team.  Everything so far is conjecture or out of context comments that really don't necessarily have much to do with whether he'll stay or go (such as the comment about being wary of a full-blown rebuild). 

He decides like this every year and I believe (I don't know, but believe) that DA, owners and Doc have a mutual understanding that Doc takes time every year to assess the future.  That's something they honor.  It may be that all of them already know his decision and that he isn't holding them hostage at all.  Perhaps there is some odd reason they are holding off on an announcement.   Who knows?  Why presume negative intent?

This post needs to be reiterated, I think. TP.

[ACF]

Long time creeper, first time poster, HI EVERYONE

[CelticConcourse]

Not to me.  I suppose if he left the Celtics for the Lakers, that would be, but otherwise no.  It's not that Ray left, it's where he went.  Same with Doc.

So what are your thoughts if the highest paid player in the league just didn't feel like playing out the remaining 3 years of his contract. And what's the difference between that and Doc.

If anything at least Ray Allen was a free agent, had been constantly in teade rumors and pretty much almost traded before and went to a team that he could play a minor role in to possibly win a championship as he approaches 40 years old during his last nba years

He's only getting paid $7mil/yr, much less than any max player.

[CelticG1]

Not to me.  I suppose if he left the Celtics for the Lakers, that would be, but otherwise no.  It's not that Ray left, it's where he went.  Same with Doc.

So what are your thoughts if the highest paid player in the league just didn't feel like playing out the remaining 3 years of his contract. And what's the difference between that and Doc.

If anything at least Ray Allen was a free agent, had been constantly in teade rumors and pretty much almost traded before and went to a team that he could play a minor role in to possibly win a championship as he approaches 40 years old during his last nba years

He's only getting paid $7mil/yr, much less than any max player.

What are you talking about? Doc is the highest paid coach in the league.

Fine if you want to go that route how would you feel about a player that your paying 7 million a year for who just doesn't feel like playing for the remaining 3 years of his contract?

[CelticConcourse]

Not to me.  I suppose if he left the Celtics for the Lakers, that would be, but otherwise no.  It's not that Ray left, it's where he went.  Same with Doc.

So what are your thoughts if the highest paid player in the league just didn't feel like playing out the remaining 3 years of his contract. And what's the difference between that and Doc.

If anything at least Ray Allen was a free agent, had been constantly in teade rumors and pretty much almost traded before and went to a team that he could play a minor role in to possibly win a championship as he approaches 40 years old during his last nba years

He's only getting paid $7mil/yr, much less than any max player.

What are you talking about? Doc is the highest paid coach in the league.

Fine if you want to go that route how would you feel about a player that your paying 7 million a year for who just doesn't feel like playing for the remaining 3 years of his contract?

I get what you're saying, but think about it this way. Say Udonis Haslem doesn't want to play anymore for the Heat. The Heat franchise would obviously let them go, right?

[CelticG1]

Not to me.  I suppose if he left the Celtics for the Lakers, that would be, but otherwise no.  It's not that Ray left, it's where he went.  Same with Doc.

So what are your thoughts if the highest paid player in the league just didn't feel like playing out the remaining 3 years of his contract. And what's the difference between that and Doc.

If anything at least Ray Allen was a free agent, had been constantly in teade rumors and pretty much almost traded before and went to a team that he could play a minor role in to possibly win a championship as he approaches 40 years old during his last nba years

He's only getting paid $7mil/yr, much less than any max player.

What are you talking about? Doc is the highest paid coach in the league.

Fine if you want to go that route how would you feel about a player that your paying 7 million a year for who just doesn't feel like playing for the remaining 3 years of his contract?

I get what you're saying, but think about it this way. Say Udonis Haslem doesn't want to play anymore for the Heat. The Heat franchise would obviously let them go, right?

Haha I'm sorry you are being ridiculous.

Doc is a highly desired coach probably the most coveted in the league.

We are paying him more money than any other coach

Please try and give a fair comparison. Its a lot closer to any of the big 3 than freaking haslem.

Teams mutually do things all the time. Danny and he organization clearly doesn't want him leaving and Docs just doing whatever flirting with other teams.

[CelticG1]

I don't really understand how or why the clippers are a title contender

They've been pretty pathetic the last couple years

[Evantime34]

It would not be as bad because we would be getting compensation.

More importantly Ray left before the ship started sinking. Doc is leaving after the boat is already submerged.

[the_Bird]

I'm fine with Doc leaving in the manner being proposed.  With all the yapping he's done about "loyalty," he's pretty much got to leave town at this point.

[nickagneta]

You can't really compare players and coaches in this regard. Players contracts are bound by the rules on the NBA CBA and hence, if a player just wants to not play for a team, he has options to get out of town with, like retiring(Rasheed Wallace), forcing a trade(Carmelo Anthony), coming to an agreement with the team to get out of the contract(Darko Milicic) or just leaving(Allen Iverson) and hope the team doesn't sue him over services not rendered.

Coaches are not bound by the NBA CBA. They have personal contracts with the teams and it is common practice, if a coach wants to not coach a team anymore, to let them go. it happens all the time(Larry Brown). If Doc leaves he is no different than a whole bunch of other coaches that just leave their teams for front office jobs or other coaching positions or to take a break and go into broadcasting. Seldom do coaches ever reach the end of their contracts. They are usually fired or they leave before their contract ends. And that is another difference. Coaches can be fired, players can't.

[cltc5]

no, i want him outta here.  Ray didnt have to leave, he chose to leave and to the enemy.  And he still coulda helped out.

[cltc5]

I don't really understand how or why the clippers are a title contender

They've been pretty pathetic the last couple years