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Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« on: June 12, 2013, 05:08:11 PM »

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I'd say yes if not worse.

He's under contract and basically saying that he doesn't care if he's the highest paid coach in the league, he'd rather just sit out.

He fed everyone a load of crap about sticking with a team through thick and thin when he first signed the contract (directly relating to the inevitable rebuild)

He has pretty much kept the team somewhat hostage

If he does leave he certainly is screwing us over.

There's little doubt that if he was allowed to thst he would be fishing for another team

Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 05:13:57 PM »

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Not even close. Apples and oranges.

Judas left to intentionally to get back at Ainge, Doc and Rondo, and whomever else was hurt in the process be [dang]ed.

No such malice in Rivers' situation.

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Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2013, 05:21:06 PM »

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No, it would not be the same because Doc isn't going to air all the crap, Ray did.  He also isn't going to turn down more money and go for less money out of spite like Ray.


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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2013, 05:24:20 PM »

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It's not on par, but its equally annoying.

OP is right, it feels like he's held the team hostage with his lack of decision.

It's a simple Yes or No question.


Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 05:24:27 PM »

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If Doc doesn't go coach the Heat, Knicks, or Lakers, then no it's not even close

Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 05:24:38 PM »

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I'd say yes if not worse.

He's under contract and basically saying that he doesn't care if he's the highest paid coach in the league, he'd rather just sit out.

He fed everyone a load of crap about sticking with a team through thick and thin when he first signed the contract (directly relating to the inevitable rebuild)

He has pretty much kept the team somewhat hostage

If he does leave he certainly is screwing us over.

There's little doubt that if he was allowed to thst he would be fishing for another team

Probably will be nothing like Ray, but first we'd need to know if he's leaving and then we'd need to know the circumstances.

I haven't heard him saying anything.  Certainly haven't heard him say he wants to coach for another team.  Everything so far is conjecture or out of context comments that really don't necessarily have much to do with whether he'll stay or go (such as the comment about being wary of a full-blown rebuild). 

He decides like this every year and I believe (I don't know, but believe) that DA, owners and Doc have a mutual understanding that Doc takes time every year to assess the future.  That's something they honor.  It may be that all of them already know his decision and that he isn't holding them hostage at all.  Perhaps there is some odd reason they are holding off on an announcement.   Who knows?  Why presume negative intent?

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 05:32:29 PM »

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I wouldn't be bothered by it if Doc choose to leave.

There are a lot of good coaching replacements on the market and I would be quite excited about seeing what one of those guys could do with the Celtics.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 05:33:41 PM »

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Depends on who leaves with him, if anyone.
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Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 05:48:40 PM »

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[ ...It may be that all of them already know his decision and that he isn't holding them hostage at all.  Perhaps there is some odd reason they are holding off on an announcement.   Who knows?  Why presume negative intent?

This is my suspicion. I'm just speculating like the rest of us but it wouldn't shock me if the organization dropped multiple bombs in the next several weeks that Doc's candidness could compromise greatly.

And I wouldn't even hold it against him if they did somehow accommodate his jumping ship should they blow it up. He wouldn't be an essential part of a rebuild anyways.

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 05:49:14 PM »

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Funny thing is Miami would probably be Doc's first choice destination.

* Fair chance Spoelstra gets fired if Miami lose to the Spurs in the Finals.
* Doc has a strong relationship with Pat Riley.
* Plenty of rumours in the past about Riley wanting to hire Doc Rivers if he became available.
* Doc is one of the few current head coaches with true genuine Championship experience. A rarity amongst possible replacements for Spoelstra. One of the few candidates who go there to Miami and have the respect of somebody who has already been to the mountain top. Led a team to the Finals and won a Championship.
* Miami gives Doc the best player in the game in LeBron James and one of the strongest squads in the league. One of the best, if not the best, chances at adding further NBA titles to his resume. 
* Plus it allows Doc to relocate back to Florida closer to his family (they live in Florida right?)

So if Doc Rivers leaves Boston, I think there is a very good chance he could follow Ray Allen down to Miami.

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 06:02:45 PM »

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How old are Doc's children, and weren't two of them in College over four years ago? Some act as though Doc is the only NBA coach that loves his family. The truth is these coaches get paid a lot of money for the 'sacrifices' they make.

No excuses, honor your contract or move on.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 06:07:13 PM »

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Funny thing is Miami would probably be Doc's first choice destination.

* Fair chance Spoelstra gets fired if Miami lose to the Spurs in the Finals.
* Doc has a strong relationship with Pat Riley.
* Plenty of rumours in the past about Riley wanting to hire Doc Rivers if he became available.
* Doc is one of the few current head coaches with true genuine Championship experience. A rarity amongst possible replacements for Spoelstra. One of the few candidates who go there to Miami and have the respect of somebody who has already been to the mountain top. Led a team to the Finals and won a Championship.
* Miami gives Doc the best player in the game in LeBron James and one of the strongest squads in the league. One of the best, if not the best, chances at adding further NBA titles to his resume. 
* Plus it allows Doc to relocate back to Florida closer to his family (they live in Florida right?)

So if Doc Rivers leaves Boston, I think there is a very good chance he could follow Ray Allen down to Miami.

It makes sense, but I literally think I'd be sick

Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 06:12:56 PM »

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I, too, am tired of waiting for the speculations and rumors to end.

But at this point realize that Doc may be having certain issues going on.

He does this every year, I'm not surprised. I honestly think we're going to try to run it back, and try to package some players. And pick up one extra draft pick or two, to try to get a young team full of good prospect and talent.

I trust Danny to be able to pick someone who'd might be a game changer. Remember, Danny saw something in Rondo that 20 other GM's didn't.

A pick that was 21, became an Allstar, a MVP candidate, top 5 PG, is on his way to needing a few more awards, Allstar visits, and maybe a few rings on his belt to becoming a HoFer/greatest PG for the Celtics.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 06:15:38 PM »

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I don't care about booing.

Ray Allen, Doc Rivers, all deserve lifelong praise for helping us win a ring in 2008. And also giving us memorable year around 2008.

But when Doc comesback as an opposing coach, i hope we beat his team to the ground, to show that he made a mistake for leaving. 

Imo it will be a regret to leave such a storied org like the celtics.



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Re: Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 06:17:37 PM »

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It all depends. If he jumps ship and runs right over to Miami or an other contending team maybe a little, especially Miami.

But if its either he doesn't want to coach a rebuild or he just doesn't have it in him to coach the current team, not even close. People change jobs because they need a change. Why should Doc be any different.

Those who said he NEEDS to honor his contract are out of line. If he just needs a year or two off I wouldn't blame him at all. The guy sacrificed a lot of family time, watching his kids grow up to coach young players to the point they were trade worthy. And then to coach a vet team into contention every season after that.

I think last season look a lot out of him. I could see it a lot during and after games. He lost a little some thing last season. Maybe he steps down, move PP,KG, and let Rondo heal well and see what goes from there. If they get lucky next season (which is unlikely) they'll have a young but talented core and maybe he comes back after the breather.