If Rivers is not back, safe to say Rondo is out also?

[dreamgreen]

NO! These 2 things have nothing to do with each other.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Celticsblog: Where reading comprehension and logic fail in the name of biased and baseless speculation and personal theories put forth as truth.

[Monkhouse]

Okay, I've read and watched the interviews, nothing stated in those two were even relevant to the original posters comment.

Rondo has been coached by Doc for how long? Of course there are going to be close and personal ties..

Kobe Bryant said he felt very close to Phil Jackson, and trusted him. He even mentioned that he wished he was back to coach them again.

If Rivers isn't back Rondo will most likely be coached by someone else, but may at times take the reins. This is the catch for up and coming interested coaches. Rondo isn't someone who is easy to coach, as dated and slated from his Kentucky days. But many people who've witnessed his play making, and his ability to dissect the game have called him a genius.

I could see Rondo being a head coach someday. But for now, I don't see him wanting to transition to another coach, simply because of personal ties. I mean you're mainly upset at the fact that the players are making it, "our team," rather than the team as a whole. I completely understand, its also slightly frustrating to see that there is so much rumor and speculation going on when this could be resolved by now. And we as fans, could simply start to enjoy the new Celtics, rather than biting our nails and waiting for something to happen.

But I do respect the fact Rondo said something very loyal. I don't know why everyone gives Rondo so much crap. He isn't afraid to speak his mind, that's a type of player you want, because losing and being last in place is something those kind of players work hard to avoid.

[scaryjerry]

No? The premise is silly

[connor]

KG has also said numerous times that he'd only play for Doc, so your whole attempt to throw Rondo under the bus is a fail.

Crazy how a show of loyalty from a player towards his coach can get so warped on this board.

So has it become team Rivers instead of Boston Celtics??

I'm hard to coach? what kind of bs crap is that. Just keep it to yourself

Except you're taking what he said completely out of context:

"We're learning each other more and more each year." When asked if he was hard to coach, at least early in his career, Rondo said, "It's not that I'm hard to coach, it's just that I may challenge what you say. I know the game myself, I'm out there playing the game. So I may have saw something different versus what you saw from the sideline. I'm going to be respectable. I'm going to let the coach talk."

But why does he have to say this now?? Is he trying to send out some kind of message?

Nobody even asked him if he was hard to coach etc.

Triboy did you seriously make an entire topic trashing Rondo for something he said without actually reading the article you are taking the quote from?

He was asked flat out if he was hard to coach and then answered the question. And not only that but I think his answer was perfectly fine.

Why say this now? Sending a message? HE WAS ASKED! What do you want him to say? No comment? Then he sounds like a prima donna who won't even answer the question.

He also never said that he doesn't want to play for any other coach than Doc. Yeah he is loyal to Doc, he likes the way Doc lets him run the show and lets him put his two cents in. What's wrong with that? He never said if Doc's out I'm out or anything even remotely close.

This whole thing is atrocious and should be locked because the entire premise is based on a misquote.

[kgainez]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

First of all, that interpretation of Rondo's quote belies some pretty ridiculous comprehension disasters. Second, this idea that players showing loyalty/having an opinion on the coach of the team, and the players around them, is somehow disloyal is, well, you used a good word. It is quite different for a fan to have some abstracted concept of a team disconnected from the people who make up the franchise than it is for a player, who plays with/under, and is surrounded by and dealing with these people. Loyalty to a franchise, from a player/coach/etc, isn't just to a some abstract idea, and a building, but to the people who make up that franchise.

[kgainez]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

First of all, that interpretation of Rondo's quote belies some pretty ridiculous comprehension disasters. Second, this idea that players showing loyalty/having an opinion on the coach of the team, and the players around them, is somehow disloyal is, well, you used a good word. It is quite different for a fan to have some abstracted concept of a team disconnected from the people who make up the franchise than it is for a player, who plays with/under, and is surrounded by and dealing with these people. Loyalty to a franchise, from a player/coach/etc, isn't just to a some abstract idea, and a building, but to the people who make up that franchise.

I don't care how far off the Rondo quote was. My point actually had nothing to do with Rondo specifically, but with the idea that these guys have some sort of pregnancy pact with each other and not the organization that signs their check. It's annoying. Loyalty is great but they're HOLDING OUT ON THE ORGANIZATION!!

DANNY AINGE HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON!! The draft is coming up. There are free agents out there we could be 'talking' to. There are strategies that need to be thought out. When you have 3 guys withholding what they want to do, it's like a p---ing contest. It's stupid.

"You go first"

"No you go first"

These guys are 35+. And I'm also upset that Danny Ainge is just letting this happen. hELLO, GUY! YOU'RE THE GM!! YOU SIGN ALL THE CONTRACTS!!

At this point, I'd trade Paul and tell Doc to step down on his own terms. I'm keeping Rondo, as he's under contract and I'm telling KG to give me an answer by a certain time or he's got to go, too.

This is ignorant.

[CelticConcourse]

NO! These 2 things have nothing to do with each other.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

First of all, that interpretation of Rondo's quote belies some pretty ridiculous comprehension disasters. Second, this idea that players showing loyalty/having an opinion on the coach of the team, and the players around them, is somehow disloyal is, well, you used a good word. It is quite different for a fan to have some abstracted concept of a team disconnected from the people who make up the franchise than it is for a player, who plays with/under, and is surrounded by and dealing with these people. Loyalty to a franchise, from a player/coach/etc, isn't just to a some abstract idea, and a building, but to the people who make up that franchise.

I don't care how far off the Rondo quote was. My point actually had nothing to do with Rondo specifically, but with the idea that these guys have some sort of pregnancy pact with each other and not the organization that signs their check. It's annoying. Loyalty is great but they're HOLDING OUT ON THE ORGANIZATION!!

DANNY AINGE HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON!! The draft is coming up. There are free agents out there we could be 'talking' to. There are strategies that need to be thought out. When you have 3 guys withholding what they want to do, it's like a p---ing contest. It's stupid.

"You go first"

"No you go first"

These guys are 35+. And I'm also upset that Danny Ainge is just letting this happen. hELLO, GUY! YOU'RE THE GM!! YOU SIGN ALL THE CONTRACTS!!

At this point, I'd trade Paul and tell Doc to step down on his own terms. I'm keeping Rondo, as he's under contract and I'm telling KG to give me an answer by a certain time or he's got to go, too.

This is ignorant.

Yes, Danny should definitely be talking to free agents right now: http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/06/nba-teams-fined-tampering-free-agents-chris-paul-dwight-howard

[Snakehead]

NO! These 2 things have nothing to do with each other.

Exactly, such a leap.

Ainge is a huge fan of Rondo, he's still the GM.

[kgainez]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

First of all, that interpretation of Rondo's quote belies some pretty ridiculous comprehension disasters. Second, this idea that players showing loyalty/having an opinion on the coach of the team, and the players around them, is somehow disloyal is, well, you used a good word. It is quite different for a fan to have some abstracted concept of a team disconnected from the people who make up the franchise than it is for a player, who plays with/under, and is surrounded by and dealing with these people. Loyalty to a franchise, from a player/coach/etc, isn't just to a some abstract idea, and a building, but to the people who make up that franchise.

I don't care how far off the Rondo quote was. My point actually had nothing to do with Rondo specifically, but with the idea that these guys have some sort of pregnancy pact with each other and not the organization that signs their check. It's annoying. Loyalty is great but they're HOLDING OUT ON THE ORGANIZATION!!

DANNY AINGE HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON!! The draft is coming up. There are free agents out there we could be 'talking' to. There are strategies that need to be thought out. When you have 3 guys withholding what they want to do, it's like a p---ing contest. It's stupid.

"You go first"

"No you go first"

These guys are 35+. And I'm also upset that Danny Ainge is just letting this happen. hELLO, GUY! YOU'RE THE GM!! YOU SIGN ALL THE CONTRACTS!!

At this point, I'd trade Paul and tell Doc to step down on his own terms. I'm keeping Rondo, as he's under contract and I'm telling KG to give me an answer by a certain time or he's got to go, too.

This is ignorant.

Yes, Danny should definitely be talking to free agents right now: http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/06/nba-teams-fined-tampering-free-agents-chris-paul-dwight-howard

Is why I put talking in quotes.

[Celtics4ever]

I think they will need a few stars to fill the bleachers.  Rondo and Green might be amusing from time to time.

Thankfully, they have these things called contracts that people have to honor.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

And now Rondo, with the whole "i'm difficult to coach, and the only guy pretty much i want to play for is Doc".  Its nice that all of these guys have a pact or something but they have to also realize that this is business/pro sports.
....

I'm not against guys not wanting to fully rebuild. Bc they have paid their dues etc. But the actions/words of all of these guys is that, this team otherwise is not good enough to do anything. Its an insult in a way.

i've been saying this forever, but everyone looks at me like i'm stupid
you play for the Celtics, not for Doc. If this is the way they all feel, GOODBYEEEE

First of all, that interpretation of Rondo's quote belies some pretty ridiculous comprehension disasters. Second, this idea that players showing loyalty/having an opinion on the coach of the team, and the players around them, is somehow disloyal is, well, you used a good word. It is quite different for a fan to have some abstracted concept of a team disconnected from the people who make up the franchise than it is for a player, who plays with/under, and is surrounded by and dealing with these people. Loyalty to a franchise, from a player/coach/etc, isn't just to a some abstract idea, and a building, but to the people who make up that franchise.

I don't care how far off the Rondo quote was. My point actually had nothing to do with Rondo specifically, but with the idea that these guys have some sort of pregnancy pact with each other and not the organization that signs their check. It's annoying. Loyalty is great but they're HOLDING OUT ON THE ORGANIZATION!!

DANNY AINGE HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON!! The draft is coming up. There are free agents out there we could be 'talking' to. There are strategies that need to be thought out. When you have 3 guys withholding what they want to do, it's like a p---ing contest. It's stupid.

"You go first"

"No you go first"

These guys are 35+. And I'm also upset that Danny Ainge is just letting this happen. hELLO, GUY! YOU'RE THE GM!! YOU SIGN ALL THE CONTRACTS!!

At this point, I'd trade Paul and tell Doc to step down on his own terms. I'm keeping Rondo, as he's under contract and I'm telling KG to give me an answer by a certain time or he's got to go, too.

This is ignorant.

Yes, Danny should definitely be talking to free agents right now: http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/06/nba-teams-fined-tampering-free-agents-chris-paul-dwight-howard

Is why I put talking in quotes.

Cool. So if Danny isn't tampering now I guess all is a total mess. Jeez. There is time. Hey, if he does a lot of 'talking' we might even lose a draft pick so that would be one less uncertainty.

I just don't get the panic on June 12th. Like this is the only time a team didn't know what their roster would look like at this date? My assumption is that things will work out one way or the other, but the lack of clarity on June 12th doesn't make we want to throw every individual into the fire. Can't say I even find it embarrassing. It all feels like made up problems with expectations that have zero to do with how the NBA actually works.

[dark_lord]

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