Pops is proof that Doc isn't all that great

[SHAQATTACK]

we all know Doc is babysitter and not a great coach....now he is poised to leave for greener grass....

good luck .

[Greenback]

It is interesting that the Spurs have an old Timmy and a bunch of 2nd round draft picks and are kicking the Heat's pants. 

Also, all the hype of LeBron, all the official bias toward the Heat, the bailouts and the free throws - and the Heat are down 2-1.  The league even resurrected Joey Crawford to help the Heat win game 2.  David Stern is not finished and may manufacture another title for the Heat yet.

Pops deserves some credit in this kind of adversity.

[TitleMaster]

Ok, game 3 was played with an injured Parker. And Ginobili was off, as well.

If it were Doc, he would not have been able to make the adjustments, take LBJ out of his game, while spreading the offense around to other players. Instead, he'll try to get Manu to run isos, as a way of compensating for Parker not being JoJo of the night.

I predict that the Spurs will lose, 4-2 or 4-3, if Parker's not back however, they'll give it a good fight till it's over.

In contrast, I think Doc would lose the series, 4-1 or 4-2, even with a healthy roster.

Oh come on man we went to game 7 last year against the Heat with a busted Pierce and Ray, no AB, and Ryan Hollins a big part of the rotation... And last year's Heat team was healthier.

Pierce, as of last year, was better than Ginobili, post-2007. Manu's not the younger version of himself anymore. Pierce's only downside is that he can't don the cape, for more than for one 22-28 min stretch these days w/o father time biting him in the end. Replace Pierce with Ginobili in 2012, and we lose that series a lot quicker.

Thus, I'd say that with Pops, we win the finals in '12, with him managing the time slots of each of the big 4, to maximize the C's effectiveness for all of the game, not just for a few quarters here and there.

[CelticConcourse]

Ok, game 3 was played with an injured Parker. And Ginobili was off, as well.

If it were Doc, he would not have been able to make the adjustments, take LBJ out of his game, while spreading the offense around to other players. Instead, he'll try to get Manu to run isos, as a way of compensating for Parker not being JoJo of the night.

I predict that the Spurs will lose, 4-2 or 4-3, if Parker's not back however, they'll give it a good fight till it's over.

In contrast, I think Doc would lose the series, 4-1 or 4-2, even with a healthy roster.

Oh come on man we went to game 7 last year against the Heat with a busted Pierce and Ray, no AB, and Ryan Hollins a big part of the rotation... And last year's Heat team was healthier.

Yeah, but Ryan Hollins was a beast. If you take his game 1 stats vs Miami and convert it to per36, you'll see that he was playing at the pace of a 20/10/10 game.

awww yeaaaa

I'm sure it would've happened had DOC played him more...
I'm sure we'll have to fire him now, we could've had banner 18 last year
               

[badshar]

Since 2008, Ginobili's been injured almost every year. The greatest challenge was for Pops to eliminate the need for a Paul Pierce Q4 performance from Manu. Unfortunately, that was what was lacking with the Spurs which is why that despite their great regular seasons, they never had much success in the playoffs. My yearly prediction for SA was that as soon as I saw that Manu had a problem, I'd called it curtains for 'em, year after year.

In contrast, we always had a Rondo, who couldn't shoot from the outside. And unlike JoJo, he rarely drove, to setup the outside shooter. Instead, he dribbled, waiting for someone to come off the screen to make the assist. Parker was making all the JoJo White modifications during those Ginobili injured playoffs.

As for our Paul Pierce, he was seldom injured. I think Pops would have done a better job of managing PP's minutes than Doc.

Uhm, Doc had to deal with KG declining and not having a front court at all. He had to abuse the "small-ball" theory because he had no one else other than KG to play who would win games. Don't give me or anyone else that injury B.S., because we have been one of the most unluckiest teams since 2008, if the most.
Doc also had to deal with one of the Big 3 who was on a big decline in his defense, ball handling as a guard and attitude. He had to deal with Allen not being a good defender anymore. He had to deal with Allen's injuries. He had to deal with Allen leaving the team and breaking a team that was built around him and 3 others.

As for Rondo "not driving," uhm, do you even watch Celtics games? You're telling me that Rondo gets his 15-20 assists by just making other players run around and get open? Seriously, do you not watch the games?

Also, your Pierce argument is complete nonsense. You complain and blame Doc when they don't win games and you complain and blame Doc when Pierce gets so many minutes. In order to win, Pierce has to play that many minutes. The team is built for him to produce that much and there is no one else on the team that can do what Pierce does.

Seriously, you people just look for reasons to blame Doc.

Some people here probably hold Doc responsible for Patriots for not making the Super Bowl last year.

[eugen]

Pop has 4 rings already. Doc is far away from him

[BballTim]

Ok, game 3 was played with an injured Parker. And Ginobili was off, as well.

If it were Doc, he would not have been able to make the adjustments, take LBJ out of his game, while spreading the offense around to other players. Instead, he'll try to get Manu to run isos, as a way of compensating for Parker not being JoJo of the night.

I predict that the Spurs will lose, 4-2 or 4-3, if Parker's not back however, they'll give it a good fight till it's over.

In contrast, I think Doc would lose the series, 4-1 or 4-2, even with a healthy roster.

Oh come on man we went to game 7 last year against the Heat with a busted Pierce and Ray, no AB, and Ryan Hollins a big part of the rotation... And last year's Heat team was healthier.

Pierce, as of last year, was better than Ginobili, post-2007. Manu's not the younger version of himself anymore. Pierce's only downside is that he can't don the cape, for more than for one 22-28 min stretch these days w/o father time biting him in the end. Replace Pierce with Ginobili in 2012, and we lose that series a lot quicker.

Thus, I'd say that with Pops, we win the finals in '12, with him managing the time slots of each of the big 4, to maximize the C's effectiveness for all of the game, not just for a few quarters here and there.

  Your claims that Pops would surely do with our team what he was obviously unable to do with his own are ridiculous. The Spurs won 11 more games than us in a short season. Your analysis of the two teams leaves a lot to be desired.

[badshar]

Ok, game 3 was played with an injured Parker. And Ginobili was off, as well.

If it were Doc, he would not have been able to make the adjustments, take LBJ out of his game, while spreading the offense around to other players. Instead, he'll try to get Manu to run isos, as a way of compensating for Parker not being JoJo of the night.

I predict that the Spurs will lose, 4-2 or 4-3, if Parker's not back however, they'll give it a good fight till it's over.

In contrast, I think Doc would lose the series, 4-1 or 4-2, even with a healthy roster.

Oh come on man we went to game 7 last year against the Heat with a busted Pierce and Ray, no AB, and Ryan Hollins a big part of the rotation... And last year's Heat team was healthier.

Pierce, as of last year, was better than Ginobili, post-2007. Manu's not the younger version of himself anymore. Pierce's only downside is that he can't don the cape, for more than for one 22-28 min stretch these days w/o father time biting him in the end. Replace Pierce with Ginobili in 2012, and we lose that series a lot quicker.

Thus, I'd say that with Pops, we win the finals in '12, with him managing the time slots of each of the big 4, to maximize the C's effectiveness for all of the game, not just for a few quarters here and there.

Dude, did you completely ignore the roster from last year outside of Pierce, KG, Rondo and Allen? You think Pop would be able to rest Pierce, right? So will Pop's presence automatically convert Pietrus and Daniels, our two backup SF's, into very good players? Do you fail to understand that our bench scored a combined total of 2 points in Game 7? Do you understand what that means? Do you realize that resting Big 4 would mean we couldn't win games?

Seriously, at this point, I think you're just trolling.

[rasta1]

Most coaches in the NBA suck anyway.

Pop, Thibodeau, Rick Carlisle, vogel, doc, sloan, and phil jackson

are the best head coaches out there with probably larry brown if he wants to coach [similar to the jackson situation]

Plus there's a drop off after pop and another one after thibodeau

Doc's strength is obviously he's a player's coach

doc's issue is that if you give him too many pieces, he chokes and doesn't know what to do. If he is given less depth and fewer things to work with, he succeeds. Unfortunately, Pierce and KG are just too old to burn them out for that long which would be the result of using so few players

Give doc a few toys that are good, he'll excel. Doc in miami, okc, lac, lal, brooklyn would work well


Hey Maybe Steven A Smith was right

Blake Griffin to Bostons?

[connor]

Why do so many people treat the two as being mutually exclusive? Just because Pops is a better coach than Doc doesn't take anything away from Doc. That doesn't make any sense.

Popovich is a 4 time NBA champ, excellent coach for schemes, drawing up plays, rotations and all his players seem to love and respect him. He has also had an excellent team at his disposal since 1996 starting with the Admiral and Duncan and moving on through until now with Duncan, Parker and Ginolbili. He has gotten the most out of his players usually, overcome injury plagued seasons, but also underachieved several times as well.

Doc has only 1 ring from the 2008 season, but thats really the first time he has had a team that was truly a serious contender. He is a players coach, manages personalities very well, gets extreme loyalty out of his guys, say what you will about his rotations and how much Thibs had to do with his defensive schemes, but at the end of the day he has put together a  great system for his guys. He's come extremely close to at least 2 more rings and you could argue that injuries were his main downfall, but his teams have outperformed their expectations (see last year's playoffs) and also underperformed as well.

Those are two amazing resumes if you ask me. Pops obviously has the edge based on rings and in my opinion overall coaching ability, but Doc's done great things as well.

There are very few teams and fan bases out there that wouldn't jump at the chance to have Doc as their coach. To say he is anything other than one of the top coaches in the league is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Yes Pops is better, of course he is, he is the best coach in the league, but why would that make Doc any less of a coach?

[thirstyboots18]

I disagree.  The only thing that Pop is proof of is that Pop is a great coach.