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If Pierce is being moved for a big man, who would you prefer to pair with KG?

Al Jefferson
14 (48.3%)
Paul Millsap
5 (17.2%)
Zac Randolph
10 (34.5%)

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Who would you prefer?
This isn't a trade idea so much as a feeler to gauge where C's fans thoughts lie about Zac Randolph.
Everyone is talking about moving Pierce for either of the Jazz big men. This is understandable because they're both talented, but we should be considering Randolph (only possible in a sign and trade for Pierce.)
Marc Stein is saying the Grizzlies want to unload him and his deal and may take whatever they can get. Pierce is perfect for this.
The big advantage of getting Zeebo is there are only two years of his deal left, which is the same as KG's and gives us a large expiring contract in 2014.
Cons are his age (32) and his injury worries. He held up very well though this season and was awesome until the Spurs decided to double him in the WCF where he had no shooters to pass to.
He averaged 17 and 10 in the playoffs and that includes his sub par spurs series.

Even against the Spurs in his worst series where they specifically double teamed him to stop him, he
scored:

last 2 games against OKC (Perkins, Ibaka and Collison):
28 points 14 rebounds and
23 and 12 rebounds.

worst series was against the double team of Spurs:
game 1: 2 points 7 rebounds
game 2: 15 points, 18 rebounds, 2 blocks
game 3:14 points 15 rebounds
game 4: 13 points 8 rebounds


Vs Clippers (Blake Griffin and Jordan)


game 1: 13 pts 8 rebounds
game 2: 27 pts 11
game 3: 24 pts 9
game 4: 25 pts 11
game 5: 23 pts 5 rebounds
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He's one of the best big men in the NBA on the offensive glass and in the low post... Signing Millsap or Big Al probably means at least 3 or 4 seasons of commitment salary wise and we are trapped with a guy who is either below or on par with Zeebos ability.

If we want to give KG some help then Randolph is one of the best options .
His contract is big but it's only 2 years. It's essentially why KG signed for less in the first place...we'd have 26 million tied up for 2 years in a top 3 defensive big man and a top 3 offensive big man. Mike Conley is a great point guard, but imagine Rondo passing him the ball around the rim :D
It's done by sending Pierce+Jordan Crawford for Zeebo.
They want the cap relief and they could keep Pierce for a playoff run, or waive him and clear over 10 million in cap space.

Gives us a final run with KG, and gives us two elite big men inside. Whilst utilizing Rondo and Green. The part that puts Zeebo ahead of the Jazz guys is because he's playoff tested but he can be shed off the books in only 2 years. We'd have KG, Zeebo, Bass and Terry all coming off the books.

We'd need to sign some shooters somehow to replace Pierces long range ability... but it's probably an okay option. If we can find some sharp shooters or if Lee and Avery and Terry find their form.
It all Depends if Memphis want more than the capspace, but the rumors are that it wouldnt take much to get him because his deal is so big. Gives us a starting unit of ...

Rondo
Bradley or Terry(for his shooting)
Green
Zeebo
KG.

Instant upgrade without being tied down for 4 or more years  financially. If we can upgrade at the shooting guard spot somehow with a real 3 point threat this line up would be pretty nasty. (I've mentioned JJ Redick before or someone similar). Or Avery picks up where he left off pre injury .

FYI this would be the starting unit for Memphis:

Conley
Allen
Pierce
Davis
Gasol

much more balanced scoring and slightly worse defense- although I'd argue Davis is a far superior defender than Zeebo. Still a very good defensive team.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2013, 12:44:39 AM by chambers »
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Re: Everyone wants Millsap or Big Al Jeff. What about Zac Randolph?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 08:18:22 PM »

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Millsap averages similar numbers, better at running the floor, can get off the floor and is 3 years younger.

Plus you may not have to give up our Paul to get him.

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IF PRICE being equal guess it would be ZBO

I think the Utah boys can be had MUCH cheaper

Save a dollar and get Millsap

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Re: Everyone wants Millsap or Big Al Jeff. What about Zac Randolph?
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I'd love to acquire both Jefferson and Millsap, but I know that's a bit of a stretch. It would probably be a good thing for KG as well, bringing him off the bench and reducing his minutes.

Jefferson and Millsap usually dominated the Heat. Throw Rondo and Green alongside them and I feel very confident about our chances facing the Heat in a potential seven-game series next season.

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I'd love to acquire both Jefferson and Millsap, but I know that's a bit of a stretch. It would probably be a good thing for KG as well, bringing him off the bench and reducing his minutes.

Jefferson and Millsap usually dominated the Heat. Throw Rondo and Green alongside them and I feel very confident about our chances facing the Heat in a potential seven-game series next season.

Wow, if that happened I'd be extremely happy. PP+KG S+T for PM+AL?

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Re: Everyone wants Millsap or Big Al Jeff. What about Zac Randolph?
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Who would you prefer?
This isn't a trade idea so much as a feeler to gauge where C's fans thoughts lie about Zac Randolph.
Everyone is talking about moving Pierce for either of the Jazz big men. This is understandable because they're both talented, but we should be considering Randolph (only possible in a sign and trade for Pierce.)
Marc Stein is saying the Grizzlies want to unload him and his deal and may take whatever they can get. Pierce is perfect for this.
The big advantage of getting Zeebo is there are only two years of his deal left, which is the same as KG's and gives us a large expiring contract in 2014.
Cons are his age (32) and his injury worries. He held up very well though this season and was awesome until the Spurs decided to double him in the WCF where he had no shooters to pass to.
He averaged 17 and 10 in the playoffs and that includes his sub par spurs series.

He's one of the best big men in the NBA still... Signing Millsap or Big Al probably means at least 3 or 4 seasons of commitment salary wise and we are trapped with a guy who is either below or on par with Zeebos ability.

If we want to give KG some help then Randolph is one of the best options .
His contract is big but it's only 2 years. It's essentially why KG signed for less in the first place...we'd have 26 million tied up for 2 years in a top 3 defensive big man and a top 3 offensive big man. Mike Conley is a great point guard, but imagine Rondo passing him the ball around the rim :D
It's done by sending Pierce+Jordan Crawford for Zeebo.
They want the cap relief and they could keep Pierce for a playoff run, or waive him and clear over 10 million in cap space.

Gives us a final run with KG, and gives us two elite big men inside. Whilst utilizing Rondo and Green. The part that puts Zeebo ahead of the Jazz guys is because he's playoff tested but he can be shed off the books in only 2 years. We'd have KG, Zeebo, Bass and Terry all coming off the books.

We'd need to sign some shooters somehow to replace Pierces long range ability... but it's probably an okay option. If we can find some sharp shooters or if Lee and Avery and Terry find their form.
It all Depends if Memphis want more than the capspace, but the rumors are that it wouldnt take much to get him because his deal is so big. Gives us a starting unit of ...

Rondo
Bradley or Terry(for his shooting)
Green
Zeebo
KG.

Instant upgrade without being tied down for 4 or more years  financially. If we can upgrade at the shooting guard spot somehow with a real 3 point threat this line up would be pretty nasty. (I've mentioned JJ Redick before or someone similar). Or Avery picks up where he left off pre injury .

FYI this would be the starting unit for Memphis:

Conley
Allen
Pierce
Davis
Gasol

much more balanced scoring and slightly worse defense- although I'd argue Davis is a far superior defender than Zeebo. Still a very good defensive team.

This is the reason I would much rather obtain Z-Bo. I think he would thrive in the Eastern conference's slower bang around pace. Would love to see Garnett and Randolph fight the Heat for a couple years.

However, I don't think Pierce gets it done.
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Re: Everyone wants Millsap or Big Al Jeff. What about Zac Randolph?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2013, 08:40:44 PM »

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I definitely don't want Milsap or Big Al to build around.  They only make sense and only one of them makes sense if we keep KG.

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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!

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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!
Why do you say that?
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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!
Why do you say that?

yea, I think it's very likely.

Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.

Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is Zach Randolph.

Player B is Ed Davis.
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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!
Why do you say that?

yea, I think it's very likely.

Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.

Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is Zach Randolph.

Player B is Ed Davis.

You're saying Ed Davis will replace Randolph based on per 36 stats?

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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!
Why do you say that?

yea, I think it's very likely.

Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.

Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is Zach Randolph.

Player B is Ed Davis.

You're saying Ed Davis will replace Randolph based on per 36 stats?

No, I'm saying Davis is nearly 10 years younger, $14mill cheaper, and clearly has talent.
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Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!

The point of this thread is that we may have a shot at Randolph because Memphis wants to clear salary and the rumor is that they brought in Ed Davis to do exactly that.
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$34.8 million for two years
We'll still be over the cap next season regardless.
This way we get KG some help inside.
Zeebo more importantly provides inside scoring. Like Al Jefferson but he's on a 2 year deal instead of a free agent.

If people think we are getting Al Jeff for less than 12 million a year on a 4 year deal you're dreaming.

Millsap is the next best option for me because he keeps KG at center like Zeebo.
Big Al means KG gotta be power forward.
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