Everyone wants Millsap or Big Al Jeff. What about Zac Randolph?

[chambers]

Millsap averages similar numbers, better at running the floor, can get off the floor and is 3 years younger.

Plus you may not have to give up our Paul to get him.

Millsap is my second choice.
Alot of people picking Big Al but I want keep KG at center. He must play PF if Big Al is in Boston.

True that Millsap can run the floor.

There is also basically no way of getting Millsap or anyone for that matter without giving up Pierce or Green. You can't keep Pierce and have Millsap unless you move Green.

[bfrombleacher]

Thing is...they have 2 of the same guys at that spot..so they can part with either milsap or Jefferson.....Memphis will never part with Randolph.....and we DON'T give up rondo or green.....!

Why do you say that?

yea, I think it's very likely.

Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.

Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is Zach Randolph.

Player B is Ed Davis.

You're saying Ed Davis will replace Randolph based on per 36 stats?

No, I'm saying Davis is nearly 10 years younger, $14mill cheaper, and clearly has talent.

From what I've read (on his Raptors days) he's been struggling (but indeed has potential). My impression is he hasn't been doing much better post trade.

Even if Davis is better, they may have to end up looking at either dumping Randolph for pennies on the dollar or just running it back.

[j804]

Hollingers calling the shots in Memphis dude hates Green no way they take him or any of our guys for Z-Bo

[BleedGreen1989]

Hollingers calling the shots in Memphis dude hates Green no way they take him or any of our guys for Z-Bo

I wouldn't trade Green for him anyways. Not so sure that he wouldn't take Pierce however.

[lightspeed5]

z bo is garbage and big al is horribad too.

big al will not win you a championship.

[chambers]

Hollingers calling the shots in Memphis dude hates Green no way they take him or any of our guys for Z-Bo

Did you read the original post?
We aren't giving them Green.
Memphis wants to clear cap space.

Pierce can be waived for 5 million.
They can trade for Pierce and either keep him for one season or dump him for 5 million immediately and save 10 million in cap space.

[chambers]

z bo is garbage and big al is horribad too.

big al will not win you a championship.

He's definitely not garbage, he's an All Star big man. Look at his numbers this season. Remember he came back from a torn ACL like Rose and Rondo are doing, so he wasn't as mobile.

His post season averages were 17 points and 10 rebounds
Even against the Spurs in his worst series where they specifically double teamed him to stop him, he
scored:

last 2 games against OKC: 28 points 14 rebounds and 23 and 12 rebounds.
worst series was against the double team of Spurs:
game 1: 2 points 7 rebounds
game 2: 15 points, 18 rebounds, 2 blocks
game 3:14 points 15 rebounds
game 4: 13 points 8 rebounds

Vs Clippers (Blake Griffin and Jordan)


game 1: 13 pts 8 rebounds
game 2: 27 pts 11
game 3: 24 pts 9
game 4: 25 pts 11
game 5: 23 pts 5 rebounds

that's one terrible game against the Spurs with no help AND sharing the paint with Marc Gasol.


He gives Garnett help in the paint and gives us an All Star low post scoring option.
Kg with him on defense would help cover up his slowness and Rondo dishing him the ball would give him multiple easy finishes around the rim.

He definitely puts us closer to a championship and his deal is only 2 years left on it.
He's a monster on the glass and in the paint.
At least give him the respect he deserves.

[nostar]

I wouldn't trade pierce for Randolph. That trade maintains the current level of talent and adds to our salary cap problems. Sure we get more rebounds but we lose one of the most clutch payers ever and get an aging big on a max deal. I'd move bass or lee plus melo and #16 for millsap or Jefferson. Their salaries will definitely be lower than Randolphs.

[erisred]

I wouldn't trade pierce for Randolph. That trade maintains the current level of talent and adds to our salary cap problems. Sure we get more rebounds but we lose one of the most clutch payers ever and get an aging big on a max deal. I'd move bass or lee plus melo and #16 for millsap or Jefferson. Their salaries will definitely be lower than Randolphs.

I'd trade Bass *and* Lee, and salary fodder (to be waived) for Randolph, or Jefferson, and maybe for Millsap, too.  Or for Gortat, Gasol (either brother), Cousins, or either of the Lopezes.

[chambers]

I wouldn't trade pierce for Randolph. That trade maintains the current level of talent and adds to our salary cap problems. Sure we get more rebounds but we lose one of the most clutch payers ever and get an aging big on a max deal. I'd move bass or lee plus melo and #16 for millsap or Jefferson. Their salaries will definitely be lower than Randolphs.

* It doesn't maintain the current level of talent. It makes us dominant in the paint. It gives KG help on the glass and lets him concentrate on defensive duties. It also lets KG pull the opposing center out of the paint.

*Pierce is great, but we are moving him regardless of who it is.
To sign Millsap, the Jazz aren't taking back Bass and Lee's horrid deals just for a 16th pick. As a wing player having to guard the elite small forwards Pierce is completely cooked. We have Green to do that now and hopefully score more points in a starting role.
Zeebo adds to our pathetic offense. We now have a legitimate inside scoring threat.

*Millsap will cost at least 10 million a year. There will be plenty of teams after him in free agency because of his age.
It's 6 million less than Randolph but we will still be over the salary cap next season regardless.

*Randolph's deal is 2 years. It expires the same time as KG's.
The point of keeping KG is to get him help. It's most likely going to be a big of some kind. Millsap is a great player- I love him and he's my first choice of free agents- More so than Josh Smith. Unfortunately we have to sign him to a 4 year deal if he's a free agent.

I would prefer getting Randolph because he's the better player, better rebounder, and his deal expires the same time as KG's.
We can unload KG, Zeebo, Bass and Terry all at the same time.

I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Milsap, because like Zeebo, he keeps KG at center and gives us a toughness inside. Randolph is the better player though and come playoff time will give us the best chance to win. (in my opinion).

Remember you aren't getting ANY free agents of a Millsap, Smith, Al Jff, Zeebo caliber for the stinking deals of Lee and Bass lol. Pierce is the bait because you can dump his deal and clear cap room.

[ManUp]

It depends on what it takes to get him. Pierce for Randolph kind of defeats the purpose. If your trading for Randolph your in win now mode for another 2 years and Pierce is a win now player. Expecting Green to be your top wing scorer and duplicate his shooting percentages on a higher volume of shots seems foolish.

Pierce put up 18/6/6 while playing point forward for us in the play-offs. His shooting percentages likely jump playing next to Rondo and a guy who can draw the double-team like Randolph.

[chambers]

It depends on what it takes to get him. Pierce for Randolph kind of defeats the purpose. If your trading for Randolph your in win now mode for another 2 years and Pierce is a win now player. Expecting Green to be your top wing scorer and duplicate his shooting percentages on a higher volume of shots seems foolish.

Pierce put up 18/6/6 while playing point forward for us in the play-offs. His shooting percentages likely jump playing next to Rondo and a guy who can draw the double-team like Randolph.

I get your point, Pierce still has some life, but because of his contract he's expendable now that we have Green. His contract is unfortunately holding us back from getting a pivotal piece at a position of need.
The reason Danny is preparing to move Pierce is because we cannot get KG any 'help' in the form of another All Star caliber player without moving Pierce.
We've got two guys (Pierce and Green) playing the same position and unless we start Green at the PF full time then there's not much reason to keep Pierce when by trading him for a position of need (PF/Center) will get us more total offense.
Jeff Green playing more minutes than Pierce will improve our defense and the total result will be a much better scoring and defensive team going forward.

[LooseCannon]

I've hypothesized in the past that Randolph might become available in the summer of 2014, so this is a year earlier than I expected.

He's a 31-year-old who has been healthy in three of the past four seasons, but had problems earlier in his career, including microfracture surgery on a knee where he later also tore his MCL.  For those who believe you should dump aging players while you can still get a lot for them, Randolph seems like a classic case of someone you should consider trying to sell high on.

Given the team's reputation for being cheap and noting Hollinger's personal biases, I think that any trade of Randolph to the Celtics will have to include Jared Sullinger going the other way.

If they offer your choice of Sullinger/Pierce or Sullinger/Terry/Lee/pick for Zach Randolph, but they aren't making a deal unless Sullinger is included, do you walk away or make a counter offer?

[bfrombleacher]

I've hypothesized in the past that Randolph might become available in the summer of 2014, so this is a year earlier than I expected.

He's a 31-year-old who has been healthy in three of the past four seasons, but had problems earlier in his career, including microfracture surgery on a knee where he later also tore his MCL.  For those who believe you should dump aging players while you can still get a lot for them, Randolph seems like a classic case of someone you should consider trying to sell high on.

Given the team's reputation for being cheap and noting Hollinger's personal biases, I think that any trade of Randolph to the Celtics will have to include Jared Sullinger going the other way.

If they offer your choice of Sullinger/Pierce or Sullinger/Terry/Lee/pick for Zach Randolph, but they aren't making a deal unless Sullinger is included, do you walk away or make a counter offer?

Walk away!

No brainer.

[chambers]

I've hypothesized in the past that Randolph might become available in the summer of 2014, so this is a year earlier than I expected.

He's a 31-year-old who has been healthy in three of the past four seasons, but had problems earlier in his career, including microfracture surgery on a knee where he later also tore his MCL.  For those who believe you should dump aging players while you can still get a lot for them, Randolph seems like a classic case of someone you should consider trying to sell high on.

Given the team's reputation for being cheap and noting Hollinger's personal biases, I think that any trade of Randolph to the Celtics will have to include Jared Sullinger going the other way.

If they offer your choice of Sullinger/Pierce or Sullinger/Terry/Lee/pick for Zach Randolph, but they aren't making a deal unless Sullinger is included, do you walk away or make a counter offer?

Well that's a tough one. I don't just give Pierce and Sully straight up. No way. But the point of this trade is to put us in 'win now' mode.
I'd probably ask them to take an eye for an eye. It would be extremely hard to give up Sully. I guess it comes down to how badly do we want KG to have a realistic shot at making the ECF and another shot at a ring as opposed to what we think Sully may be for us one day.
If we did bite the bullet and give them Sully then I would want Pondexter to sure up our bench and shooting. Or something like:

Zeebo
Pondexter
1st rounder 2013

For Pierce
Sully
Crawford

Very tough call.

The Terry/Lee deal is good too. Imagine Pierce and Zeebo....
we could have a line up of

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Zeebo
KG

pretty nasty....Get Ray back on the min for one year and add pondexter and another shooter + a few bigs and we are a contender for a year or 2.