Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur

[Rondo2287]

The point is HE thought it was the wrong thing to say, so HE apologized for it.   It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

No doubt it was the wrong thing to say, it doesn't really have a place in the forum he used it in. 

[ejk3489]

When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Ummm I never called out anybodies faith. I just made a point about the double standard in this country. I'm also not turning this into religious debate as another said.

I'll use another example of the double standard.  Where was the outrage when Rex Ryan was being made fun of for his foot fetish? Nobody defended him or demanded apologies.

The overall point I'm making is there seems to be selective outrage and apology demands.

If people are going to seize the moral high ground, they should be.prepared to be challenged.

No, what you did was completely hijack a thread, because you want to complain about something.  Let's look at this this thread:

OP: Roy Hibbert apologized for saying something offensive.

Some posters: Why was this offensive?

Other posters: It was offensive because X.

You: I don't care if people are offended, because I'm offended about this other thing that Hollywood does, and why aren't you complaining about that too on this NBA message board, in the "Around the NBA" forum?

That's thread hijacking.  Go start another thread and complain about it, and people who are interested in that can talk about it there.

Actually, I'm not offended by a lot of things.  You either don't have an answer, or you missed the point entirely.

What is your point exactly? Because you seem to be making some broad generalization that people who are outraged by these comments can't feel the same way about other groups subject to discrimination. I'm not even sure why you felt it was necessary to bring up Christianity in the first place - not everything revolves around religion. 

[NocturnalRebel]

I just think angryguy77 and saltlover should dead their conversation. This about Hibbert apologizing for what he realized was tha wrong thing to saw in tha setting he was in. This isn't about religion, bullying, or Rex Ryan's foot fetish. Accept his apology and move on. Forgive and forget.

[fairweatherfan]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

[saltlover]

I just think angryguy77 and saltlover should dead their conversation. This about Hibbert apologizing for what he realized was tha wrong thing to saw in tha setting he was in. This isn't about religion, bullying, or Rex Ryan's foot fetish. Accept his apology and move on. Forgive and forget.

I tried multiple times, but it was a one-way "conversation."

[Rondo2287]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

[saltlover]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

If that were said on SNL 20 years ago, maybe, but that wouldn't he found very today.  Most of the laughter would be uncomfortable.

Also, it wasn't the "wrong forum."  The fact is that he jokes like that with his friends.  His friends laugh.  But that doesn't mean the humor, as it were, was very good humor.  Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean it's funny.  Calling it the wrong forum is saying that the only bad thing is that he got caught, which again, completely ignores the entire issue.  Go watch the youtube video I linked to a couple pages ago.

[Kiorrik]

Reading this type of stuff makes me think only one thing:

"Hah. Series tied at 3 apiece. Love it."

In other words: this type of stuff really shouldn't be worth anyone's time. Whatever happened to sticks 'n stones.

.edit: I swear a fair amount, but I don't use gay slurs. I have plenty of gay friends/colleagues, and wouldn't want to embarrass them. A lot of gay people need to grow some skin though. To me, this isn't discrimination at all. Rather, it's making fun of stereotypes, which is fair game.

But I guess that last bit is personal.

[Rondo2287]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

If that were said on SNL 20 years ago, maybe, but that wouldn't he found very today.  Most of the laughter would be uncomfortable.

I think you are in the vast minority if you think that.  Thankfully so.  The fake outrage that emits from things like this is truly astounding nowadays.   If he used an actual slur I would be one of the first people lining up to tell him to apologize.  Thankfully he didnt . 

[Rondo2287]

Reading this type of stuff makes me think only one thing:

"Hah. Series tied at 3 apiece. Love it."

In other words: this type of stuff really shouldn't be worth anyone's time. Whatever happened to sticks 'n stones.

Just part of the wussification of America. It's a cultural issue overall that reaches into schools and corporate america as the millennials are entering the workplace. 

[fairweatherfan]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

So one derogatory term for gay people would be a slur, but another one substituted in the exact same place wouldn't be?  I don't think there's any coherence to your definitions here.

Either way it's probably a little silly for two straight guys to argue about what gay people should and shouldn't consider a slur.  And I've got something I need to knock out before dinner (no Onan), so I'm out.

[Kiorrik]

Reading this type of stuff makes me think only one thing:

"Hah. Series tied at 3 apiece. Love it."

In other words: this type of stuff really shouldn't be worth anyone's time. Whatever happened to sticks 'n stones.

Just part of the wussification of America. It's a cultural issue overall that reaches into schools and corporate america as the millennials are entering the workplace.

Not just in America. In any country, when there's a spotlight on someone, words are suddenly taken out of context - which is pretty much what "wussification" is all about: taking a word and saying - Hey, that applies to me! (Even though the target was someone else, and the word used was used in a different context.)

Ps.: I amended my earlier statement with something along the lines of what you said.

[saltlover]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

If that were said on SNL 20 years ago, maybe, but that wouldn't he found very today.  Most of the laughter would be uncomfortable.

I think you are in the vast minority if you think that.  Thankfully so.  The fake outrage that emits from things like this is truly astounding nowadays.   If he used an actual slur I would be one of the first people lining up to tell him to apologize.  Thankfully he didnt .

Fake outrage?  Seriously, go find a gay person and call him a "homo".  Ask him (or her) if he would like to continued to be called that.  Better yet, go by yourself and find a group of people and call them "homos".

I didn't want to debate the word because I understand some people don't think it's a slur, but it is.  But you've missed the entire point, because you don't want to listen, probably because it's easier for you.  But go find a gay bar, stroll up to someone, and call him a homo, and see.  Then tell me that it's "fake outrage" that this word was used.

[saltlover]

Reading this type of stuff makes me think only one thing:

"Hah. Series tied at 3 apiece. Love it."

In other words: this type of stuff really shouldn't be worth anyone's time. Whatever happened to sticks 'n stones.

Just part of the wussification of America. It's a cultural issue overall that reaches into schools and corporate america as the millennials are entering the workplace.

Not just in America. In any country, when there's a spotlight on someone, words are suddenly taken out of context - which is pretty much what "wussification" is all about: taking a word and saying - Hey, that applies to me! (Even though the target was someone else, and the word used was used in a different context.)

Ps.: I amended my earlier statement with something along the lines of what you said.

Nonsense.  This argument is merely used to try to silence people you disagree with, and know you'll lose an argument to.  Talk about weak.

[Rondo2287]

Not sure that I consider "no homo" to be a gay slur to be honest.  It's not smart to say during a press conference but its not really a slur.

You've never heard of gay people being called "homos"?  It's a pretty old slur.  I agree it's a pretty tame instance, and I'm not sure how much we'd've even heard about it if Hibbert hadn't gone out of his way to apologize, but since he seems to feel bad about it good on him for taking the initiative.

Of course I've heard gay people be called homo's.  If Roy had called the media homo's instead of what he did call them that would be a gay slur.  Instead she just used a slang phrase which as somebody else said is about as harmful as, "that's what she said,"

That was me, and I wasn't equating them, though I don't see either one as "harmful". 

But of course terms can be slurs even if they're not being used to refer to specific people.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be an argument if Hibbert had said "no f****t" in the same context.  Only real difference is the strength of the slur.

If he said "no n-word" that wouldn't be good either, but thankfully he didn't say either of those things.  He said something that if it was said on SNL people would laugh, but this was not the appropriate venue.  Not a slur, apology was smart because of the poor choice of timing/venue

So one derogatory term for gay people would be a slur, but another one substituted in the exact same place wouldn't be?  I don't think there's any coherence to your definitions here.

Either way it's probably a little silly for two straight guys to argue about what gay people should and shouldn't consider a slur.  And I've got something I need to knock out before dinner (no Onan), so I'm out.

Why are you focussing on something he didnt say?  Like I said what he said was appropriate in the forum he said it and he apologized for it rightly so.  That said, it's not a slur.