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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2013, 08:04:42 PM »

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dis is turrible news ....

dat mean ol Roy Hibbert...he should be kicked off dis team

For punishments.....

to see a wrong is righted...he should be swapped  EVEN .....for Brandon Bass  (our center) small ball  ;D

tank yous much fur your support

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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2013, 08:05:40 PM »

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To steal from Myles Brown on twitter:

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Why are you looking for gay innuendo in everything you say? Strength and security determine manhood. Not sexual orientation. It's lame.


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"Why do they call it homophobia? I'm not scared of gay people." No, you're just scared of someone thinking you're gay :/

This pretty much covers it.

BEING GAY IS NOT A BAD THING.

So anytime you use a slang term that suggests you feel that being gay is a bad thing, whether it's an insult or not, you're perpetuating a problematic cultural message, which is that homosexuality is a negative trait.

There are a lot of things you can say that have a negative effect -- especially if you're a high profile person -- even if not a single reasonable person is actually offended by it.

Totally irrelevant to Hibbert's comments. He didn't say anything about gays being "bad".

But he did.  He used the term "no homo" after he said something, which is to say, he made sure to clarify -- though perhaps half-jokingly -- that he wasn't trying to say anything gay.  That's pretty clearly in the category of acting as if being gay would be a bad thing.  Why go out of your way to clarify, unless you're concerned that somebody might call you out for being gay for having said something?

As Mike Brown said quite well, he was afraid of somebody thinking he's gay.

You think that Hibbert's concern was that somebody was going to think he was gay?  The phrase "they stretched me out so much" is going to lead others to think he's a homosexual?

That's just silly.  He was making a joke, after realizing his words could sound like sexual innuendo.  He then made an immature joke about that innuendo.  However, he clearly wasn't trying to cover up the fact that some might now consider him gay.

Then why is the joke "no homo"?  Why isn't something else that has to due with unintentional sexual innuendo?

It was posted earlier, but I'm posting it again, which is the origins of the "no homo" joke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YJnlPP7jm5s

I'm posting the origins of the adjective, "nice":

"foolish, stupid, senseless," from Old French nice  "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware," literally "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (see un-) + stem of scire "to know" (see science).

Will that change your viewpoint?

Um, not at all.  No one thinks of the origins of "nice" when they say it, and the Old French and Romans are long dead.  "Homo" as an insult came to be while many people who are alive today started using it as an insult, and it is still used as an insult by many people.  "Nice" is used as an insult by parents who are being condescending to their children "That's nice, honey", but not in a way that is designed to hurt their child's feeling.  "Homo" is used to insult.  It's one thing for someone who's insulted to try to turn it into a joke a an empowering identity, but even that can be touchy.  While younger black people may use the N-word as a sign of fraternity, there are older black Americans who do not think it should be used at all like that, and seeing as how now white people think they can say it too, as evidenced by another poster, I tend to agree with the older generation, who heard that word while being physically tormented or at least societally oppressed.  Similarly, there are people in the gay community who like calling themselves "queer", but other members of the community are still very much offended by that word, as that word carries different memories.  Regardless, you don't get to use a word that's a slur to a community in any context at all related to that community (Hibbert was clearly saying "I'm not gay", so that counts) if you're not part of it, because there is no chance it will be taken the right way.  None.  It will be seen as insulting, and rightfully so.  Hibbert was wrong.  He apologized, which was right.  But what will be most right is if he learns why what he said was hurtful, and not merely a joke he should have kept in the locker room.

Hibbert was wrong, and he apologized, but obviously people are still talking about it right now (us). He'll never be able to take his words back, or his apologies back, or his 24/11 back. It's the past. If people see it as insulting, then they will always see it as insulting because Hibbert can't go back and not say it. Just gotta forgive n' forget.

We can move forward to a place where we don't make those jokes any more, but we don't forget.  Nothing is made better by an apology without an attempt to understand.  I believe Hibbert will try to understand, and I hope at least one person in this thread will try to as well.

Hopefully hibbert understands that post game press conferences are not the place for those kinds of comments, I agree with that
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2013, 08:11:10 PM »

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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2013, 08:13:41 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on. 


Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2013, 08:17:02 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

Tp very solid post
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2013, 08:18:37 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

He'll certainly be cognizant after he realizes seventy-five thousand dollars is missing from his paycheck.
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2013, 08:20:50 PM »

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To steal from Myles Brown on twitter:

@mdotbrown

Why are you looking for gay innuendo in everything you say? Strength and security determine manhood. Not sexual orientation. It's lame.


@mdotbrown

"Why do they call it homophobia? I'm not scared of gay people." No, you're just scared of someone thinking you're gay :/

This pretty much covers it.

BEING GAY IS NOT A BAD THING.

So anytime you use a slang term that suggests you feel that being gay is a bad thing, whether it's an insult or not, you're perpetuating a problematic cultural message, which is that homosexuality is a negative trait.

There are a lot of things you can say that have a negative effect -- especially if you're a high profile person -- even if not a single reasonable person is actually offended by it.

Totally irrelevant to Hibbert's comments. He didn't say anything about gays being "bad".

But he did.  He used the term "no homo" after he said something, which is to say, he made sure to clarify -- though perhaps half-jokingly -- that he wasn't trying to say anything gay.  That's pretty clearly in the category of acting as if being gay would be a bad thing.  Why go out of your way to clarify, unless you're concerned that somebody might call you out for being gay for having said something?

As Mike Brown said quite well, he was afraid of somebody thinking he's gay.

You think that Hibbert's concern was that somebody was going to think he was gay?  The phrase "they stretched me out so much" is going to lead others to think he's a homosexual?

That's just silly.  He was making a joke, after realizing his words could sound like sexual innuendo.  He then made an immature joke about that innuendo.  However, he clearly wasn't trying to cover up the fact that some might now consider him gay.

If I got this right, Hibbert followed his "stretch me out" comment by essentially saying "I'm no homo". It was a joke and I don't think he was literally worried that people would think he is a homosexual just because he used the term "stetched me out" in a basketball context.  He made a joke that was meant for his buddies in the living room, not for national TV. 

However, the basis of his joke DOES rest with making fun of denying one's homosexuality. Had he followed "No Homo" with "not that there's anything wrong with that" the joke would have come full circle, though it still would have been inappropriate for a national audience (IMO). 

Hibbert makes public comments but he is not a stand-up comic.  Because his comments are off the cuff they tend to be seen as more revealing about his nature or 'true beliefs'.  That may very well be unfair to him, but righteous condemnation in such a circumstance is also understandable.  Hibbert pays the price any public figure SHOULD pay if they say something that no adult should say publicly (unless you are paid to be funny and insulting).  Whether they should say it privately may be a topic for another day. 

When Hibbert jokes lightly about that he is 'no homo', he is (probably unwittingly) contributing to a culture that still fears homosexuality and therefore his statements can help solidify the likelihood that a young homosexual somewhere will deny to others and to himself a core aspect of who he is. In other words, it perpetuates an anxiety, a self-doubt and perhaps even a self-hatred for some (certainly not all) young boys who are in the midst of an identity struggle.  In a welcoming non-homophobic world, a young gay or lesbian boy or girl should not spend one minute of his/her childhood worrying about what others will think of him or her with regard to their homosexuality. 

Hibbert, probably completely without any intended malice, put some doubt/worry in a child's mind somewhere about the literal interpretation of his joke, that 'uh-oh, someone might think I am gay'. 

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2013, 08:34:23 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

He'll certainly be cognizant after he realizes seventy-five thousand dollars is missing from his paycheck.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that action.  Prohibitions on speech is a slippery slope to me.  Sooner or later, the people in charge end up prohibiting anything that smacks of opposition (taken to its extreme.)  Free speech is supposed to protect even (especially) speech that could be deemed as offensive. 

There's a lot of speech that I personally find offensive.  For instance, players screaming obscenities on court in front of a mixed crowd that includes women and children is offensive to me, but that's not fined.  I don't like the selectivity about what is regarded as beyond the pale or not.  Does that include even things that are objectively true, but would likely give offense?

PC is self regulating.  It doesn't need Stern to step in.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2013, 08:39:20 PM »

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In David Stern world, assault is less a fine than a poorly time joke that was taken as a slur.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2013, 08:40:57 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

He'll certainly be cognizant after he realizes seventy-five thousand dollars is missing from his paycheck.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that action.  Prohibitions on speech is a slippery slope to me.  Sooner or later, the people in charge end up prohibiting anything that smacks of opposition (taken to its extreme.)  Free speech is supposed to protect even (especially) speech that could be deemed as offensive. 

There's a lot of speech that I personally find offensive.  For instance, players screaming obscenities on court in front of a mixed crowd that includes women and children is offensive to me, but that's not fined.  I don't like the selectivity about what is regarded as beyond the pale or not.  Does that include even things that are objectively true, but would likely give offense?

PC is self regulating.  It doesn't need Stern to step in.

I disagree on that.  Stern runs a business, which might feel some negative financial consequences from Hibbert's speech (e.g. a sponsor dropping or at least bringing it up in negotiations.)  That's self-correcting, but so is Stern passing some of that financial consequence to Hibbert.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2013, 08:43:12 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

He'll certainly be cognizant after he realizes seventy-five thousand dollars is missing from his paycheck.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that action.  Prohibitions on speech is a slippery slope to me.  Sooner or later, the people in charge end up prohibiting anything that smacks of opposition (taken to its extreme.)  Free speech is supposed to protect even (especially) speech that could be deemed as offensive. 

There's a lot of speech that I personally find offensive.  For instance, players screaming obscenities on court in front of a mixed crowd that includes women and children is offensive to me, but that's not fined.  I don't like the selectivity about what is regarded as beyond the pale or not.  Does that include even things that are objectively true, but would likely give offense?

PC is self regulating.  It doesn't need Stern to step in.

I disagree on that.  Stern runs a business, which might feel some negative financial consequences from Hibbert's speech (e.g. a sponsor dropping or at least bringing it up in negotiations.)  That's self-correcting, but so is Stern passing some of that financial consequence to Hibbert.

No doubt, I 100% agree
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #101 on: June 02, 2013, 08:52:14 PM »

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It's silly because in the media being mistaken for being gay is a fairly common source of humor.

Obviously I don't have the answer to the eternal struggle between minorities and the majority but I don't think being overly uptight and sensitive about it is the solution at all.

As for the fine, it's fair enough. It shows the NBA's stance on the matter. But it's overblown by BSPN and other "sportswriters" for sure.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2013, 08:52:31 PM »

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He obviously cares about public perception; hence his backtracking and apology.  Without knowing him, I'd guess that he probably has nothing against gays, and that within his usual personal milieu making that little joke would be laughed at and no one would take offense.  He might have had the foresight to anticipate what is and is not permissible to say in a public venue, but... he didn't.  A hard lesson learned for him.  I doubt his worldview is going to be changed at all by this, but I'm certain he'll be cognizant about what he says in public from now on.

He'll certainly be cognizant after he realizes seventy-five thousand dollars is missing from his paycheck.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that action.  Prohibitions on speech is a slippery slope to me.  Sooner or later, the people in charge end up prohibiting anything that smacks of opposition (taken to its extreme.)  Free speech is supposed to protect even (especially) speech that could be deemed as offensive. 

There's a lot of speech that I personally find offensive.  For instance, players screaming obscenities on court in front of a mixed crowd that includes women and children is offensive to me, but that's not fined.  I don't like the selectivity about what is regarded as beyond the pale or not.  Does that include even things that are objectively true, but would likely give offense?

PC is self regulating.  It doesn't need Stern to step in.

I disagree on that.  Stern runs a business, which might feel some negative financial consequences from Hibbert's speech (e.g. a sponsor dropping or at least bringing it up in negotiations.)  That's self-correcting, but so is Stern passing some of that financial consequence to Hibbert.

Given that Hibbert had already reversed course, done his mea culpas and apologized, I find it highly improbable that the NBA would have lost any revenue at all.  The self correction had already occurred.  He'd already received his comeuppance by all and sundry.  Stern's action was unnecessary imo, but as the leader of a large organization like the NBA, and it being apparently within his purview to set an example of Hibbert, he has the right to do it.  I'm just saying that I disagree with it.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #103 on: June 02, 2013, 10:00:38 PM »

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My cousin is gay and he doesn't get offended by too many things. Him and his other gay friends joke around with each other all the time and call each other names, BUT I know never to cross that line and join in.

No homo can be an offensive term depending on who you're talking to and the context. Roy apologized and was fined, so that's that.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2013, 10:22:21 PM »

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I have a hypothetical for everyone

-We've probably all seen funny pictures about Bosh (ie Heat locker room celebration pic with champagne)or heard jokes about Bosh being gay.

What if he said he was offended by the jokes and being called gay. Does he have a right to be offended or is that offensive to gays? Just a thought provoker.