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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2013, 02:36:53 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.


If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2013, 02:55:17 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2013, 03:02:28 PM »

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Let's not turn Hibbert's comment into a religious subject and get this thread locked. He shouldn't have said it in tha setting he was in but I don't think he said it with tha intent to put down or disrespect anybody that lives an alternate lifestyle. It's not that big of a deal. He rightfully apologized. Let's move on.
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2013, 03:07:32 PM »

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Let's not turn Hibbert's comment into a religious subject and get this thread locked. He shouldn't have said it in tha setting he was in but I don't think he said it with tha intent to put down or disrespect anybody that lives an alternate lifestyle. It's not that big of a deal. He rightfully apologized. Let's move on.

I agree with you on everything except that it isn't a big deal.  Saying it isn't a "big deal" has the effect, whether intentional or not, of telling people who are offended that they shouldn't be.  There are reasons that people care about this, and minimizing them serves no purpose.  Why should Hibbert have to apologize if it isn't a big deal?

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2013, 03:20:09 PM »

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Let's not turn Hibbert's comment into a religious subject and get this thread locked. He shouldn't have said it in tha setting he was in but I don't think he said it with tha intent to put down or disrespect anybody that lives an alternate lifestyle. It's not that big of a deal. He rightfully apologized. Let's move on.

I agree with you on everything except that it isn't a big deal.  Saying it isn't a "big deal" has the effect, whether intentional or not, of telling people who are offended that they shouldn't be.  There are reasons that people care about this, and minimizing them serves no purpose.  Why should Hibbert have to apologize if it isn't a big deal?

Uhhh, who forced Hibbert to apologize again? He didn't "have to" apologize, he just did. Or at least that's how I look at it.
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2013, 03:26:12 PM »

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This is not news worthy.

Everyone should stop being so sensitive.

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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2013, 03:33:47 PM »

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Let's not turn Hibbert's comment into a religious subject and get this thread locked. He shouldn't have said it in tha setting he was in but I don't think he said it with tha intent to put down or disrespect anybody that lives an alternate lifestyle. It's not that big of a deal. He rightfully apologized. Let's move on.

I agree with you on everything except that it isn't a big deal.  Saying it isn't a "big deal" has the effect, whether intentional or not, of telling people who are offended that they shouldn't be.  There are reasons that people care about this, and minimizing them serves no purpose.  Why should Hibbert have to apologize if it isn't a big deal?

Uhhh, who forced Hibbert to apologize again? He didn't "have to" apologize, he just did. Or at least that's how I look at it.

I think you're missing my point.  If it isn't a "big deal", then why should Hibbert even think to apologize?  If people shouldn't care and move on, then did he do anything wrong to begin with?  If you believe that Hibbert apologized because you think that he thought it was the right thing to do, then the important thing to do is understand what it is he is apologizing for, and not say "Okay, he apologized, who cares?"  Otherwise you are saying that he apologized because someone told him to, because he didn't do anything wrong.  And if you can't understand why people are offended, then you can't understand what he is apologizing for.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2013, 03:34:08 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Ummm I never called out anybodies faith. I just made a point about the double standard in this country. I'm also not turning this into religious debate as another said.

I'll use another example of the double standard.  Where was the outrage when Rex Ryan was being made fun of for his foot fetish? Nobody defended him or demanded apologies.

The overall point I'm making is there seems to be selective outrage and apology demands.

If people are going to seize the moral high ground, they should be.prepared to be challenged.






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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2013, 03:38:42 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Ummm I never called out anybodies faith. I just made a point about the double standard in this country. I'm also not turning this into religious debate as another said.

I'll use another example of the double standard.  Where was the outrage when Rex Ryan was being made fun of for his foot fetish? Nobody defended him or demanded apologies.

The overall point I'm making is there seems to be selective outrage and apology demands.

If people are going to seize the moral high ground, they should be.prepared to be challenged.

Couldn't agree more
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2013, 03:45:28 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Ummm I never called out anybodies faith. I just made a point about the double standard in this country. I'm also not turning this into religious debate as another said.

I'll use another example of the double standard.  Where was the outrage when Rex Ryan was being made fun of for his foot fetish? Nobody defended him or demanded apologies.

The overall point I'm making is there seems to be selective outrage and apology demands.

If people are going to seize the moral high ground, they should be.prepared to be challenged.

No, what you did was completely hijack a thread, because you want to complain about something.  Let's look at this this thread:

OP: Roy Hibbert apologized for saying something offensive.

Some posters: Why was this offensive?

Other posters: It was offensive because X.

You: I don't care if people are offended, because I'm offended about this other thing that Hollywood does, and why aren't you complaining about that too on this NBA message board, in the "Around the NBA" forum?

That's thread hijacking.  Go start another thread and complain about it, and people who are interested in that can talk about it there.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2013, 03:51:34 PM »

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This is not news worthy.

Everyone should stop being so sensitive.

Not possible as long as a company called "ESPN" exists
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Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2013, 03:55:37 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.


If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.
Exactly. I reject the self appointed language police in their entirety.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2013, 03:58:35 PM »

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When the same people who go into full outrage mode over stories like this, start reacting the same when they see Hollywood make fun of  Christians, then I'll believe they have some credibility. Until then, outrage like this is nothing more than a hypocritical stance born out of the personal desire to feel good about one's self, or just a want to be liked.

If you believe there is a right not be offended, the you need to apply it all things deemed offensive to all people with equal fervor.

I thank you for assuming I'm not Christian, or that gay people aren't Christian.  It's that type of remark that is completely not open to dialogue which is the problem with this country, and also why threads like this get sidetracked.  There's no reason to be off-topic.  Religion wasn't mentioned once in this thread prior to you.

Ummm I never called out anybodies faith. I just made a point about the double standard in this country. I'm also not turning this into religious debate as another said.

I'll use another example of the double standard.  Where was the outrage when Rex Ryan was being made fun of for his foot fetish? Nobody defended him or demanded apologies.

The overall point I'm making is there seems to be selective outrage and apology demands.

If people are going to seize the moral high ground, they should be.prepared to be challenged.

The Rex Ryan comparison is terrible:

A. There were tons of people who said "no big deal" or even said "hey, good for them to have that level of attraction and chemistry."

And, much more importantly,
B. The discussion around Ryan generally consisted of what would variably be described as teasing, curiosity, etc., while gay people fall under public criticism its generally as worse than beasts, pedophiles, going to hell, subhuman, inhuman, responsible for natural disasters, etc. Its a little different, and you should know that.


Secondly, Christians as a peoplenare just not victims in this country, hence the "double standard." Like it or not, until things are equal, the dominant class is "allowed" to be critiqued. And, generally, the white christian male agenda or perspective is still the default one. It is changing, slowly, but people who see white/christian/male general victimization are NOT seeing subjugation, but are rather witnessing the fall from assumed/implicit/default dominance or privilege back toward (but definitley not yet reached) equal say. And its painful-no one likes to give up stuff to which they are accustomed- but going from super dominant to kind of dominant still is not victimhood.

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2013, 04:00:22 PM »

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This is not news worthy.

Everyone should stop being so sensitive.

Not possible as long as a company called "ESPN" exists

If you want to consider Roy Hibbert to be the victim of ESPN, that's fine.  But below is a video that explains Hibbert's phrase very well.  Just watch it.  I can't tell you how to react to it, and won't try to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YJnlPP7jm5s

Re: Roy Hibbert apologizes for post-game gay slur
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2013, 04:02:06 PM »

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Let's not turn Hibbert's comment into a religious subject and get this thread locked. He shouldn't have said it in tha setting he was in but I don't think he said it with tha intent to put down or disrespect anybody that lives an alternate lifestyle. It's not that big of a deal. He rightfully apologized. Let's move on.

I agree with you on everything except that it isn't a big deal.  Saying it isn't a "big deal" has the effect, whether intentional or not, of telling people who are offended that they shouldn't be.  There are reasons that people care about this, and minimizing them serves no purpose.  Why should Hibbert have to apologize if it isn't a big deal?

Because there's a guy by tha name of Jason Collins that plays tha same sport as Hibbert. I'm sure First Take will debate this on Monday but Hibbert was in tha public eye last night and he knew that. And when you have tha media being tha media (ESPN), they will paint him to be a villain and make it seem like he attacked or poked at tha gay community. It isn't a big deal to me because I don't believe he intended to offend anyone. He didn't "have" to apologize but he did.

You've excluded yourself (more than once in a previous post) from living an alternate lifestyle but yet you're defending that community as if you are a part of it. I'm not attacking you or anything but you're looking deeper into this way more than you should. We can't control people's feelings or reactions to certain things.
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