Celtics gave Dennis Schrouder the 1st round promise (Rumor)

[indeedproceed]

Weird. I'd be more happy with just keeping Schroeder. Let him bring his piano and everything.

I will give you a TP for your hilarity which seems to have been overlooked here. Love it.

Well I'm glad someone got it.

[BleedGreen1989]

Even if Schroeder is the BPA, I'm not sure what's the point of drafting a guy who projects as a 10 minute a night backup.

In a weak draft like this, it's kind of a crap shoot selecting in the middle of the first round.  Might as well go with somebody who has legitimate size, as long as their talent and potential is about the same.

Projected as a 10 minute/game backup by who? Ainge may have a different projection of him. He sure did with Rondo.

We also won't have Rondo for half the season, and even when Rondo comes back, we need a legit backup pg. If Schrouder is the real deal, it also could allow us to trade Rondo for a center.

Yea I haven't heard anybody project him as a 10 minute a game back up...

[Moranis]

Even if Schroeder is the BPA, I'm not sure what's the point of drafting a guy who projects as a 10 minute a night backup.

In a weak draft like this, it's kind of a crap shoot selecting in the middle of the first round.  Might as well go with somebody who has legitimate size, as long as their talent and potential is about the same.

Projected as a 10 minute/game backup by who? Ainge may have a different projection of him. He sure did with Rondo.

We also won't have Rondo for half the season, and even when Rondo comes back, we need a legit backup pg. If Schrouder is the real deal, it also could allow us to trade Rondo for a center.

Yea I haven't heard anybody project him as a 10 minute a game back up...

I'm pretty sure he meant Rondo will be playing 38 a night, which leaves 10 minutes for his back-up.

[PhoSita]

Even if Schroeder is the BPA, I'm not sure what's the point of drafting a guy who projects as a 10 minute a night backup.

In a weak draft like this, it's kind of a crap shoot selecting in the middle of the first round.  Might as well go with somebody who has legitimate size, as long as their talent and potential is about the same.

Projected as a 10 minute/game backup by who? Ainge may have a different projection of him. He sure did with Rondo.

We also won't have Rondo for half the season, and even when Rondo comes back, we need a legit backup pg. If Schrouder is the real deal, it also could allow us to trade Rondo for a center.

Yea I haven't heard anybody project him as a 10 minute a game back up...

Rondo, when healthy, plays at least 38 minutes a night usually.  From what I have read about Schroeder, he's not the sort of player who could play alongside Rondo.

Hence, on this team he'd be playing 10-12 minuts a night backing up Rondo.


I certainly don't think there's much reason to think Schroeder could be an adequate replacement for Rondo.  He's not even the top ranked point guard in this draft.  The chances of him being anything better than an average starting point guard don't seem great to me.

[Snakehead]

I hope this doesn't happen, I would much prefer size to a pg.

If you believed Schrouder was the most talented player on the board, would you still take a big?

size!  how much more size are we going to draft?  seems we are always reaching for size including the last two drafts, where we've drafted size and i've yet to see it work (given sully's year was cut short).  i'd prefer a nice 6'6" sg like pope from uga or hardaway from michigan.

I am for drafting size until we have enough size, and you can never have too much size.

But seriously we had no legit back up to kg at center. Once he retires we will have no centers on our team. We need a C and we need one now.

The Celtics took a size project last year.


Unless there is a C that is ready to step out there now and play, take the best talent.

There are about as many centers who are going to go in the first round as any year I can rememeber. WIth this increase in supply I wouldn't be shocked if the best player available was in face a center.

IMO the center position has the least depth in the NBA so C's are relatively worth more than other positions. For both those reason I think a C will be the best available player (at least in my opinion)

Just because there are a lot of centers in the draft doesn't mean they are good.

We already know, as well, that the Celtics are targeting bigs via free agency or trade.  It's not as if size is being neglected.  We already have a project, it makes sense to take a vet and then bring in the most talented player (beyond the fact that again, we NEED a backup PG).

Even if Schroeder is the BPA, I'm not sure what's the point of drafting a guy who projects as a 10 minute a night backup.

In a weak draft like this, it's kind of a crap shoot selecting in the middle of the first round.  Might as well go with somebody who has legitimate size, as long as their talent and potential is about the same.

Projected as a 10 minute/game backup by who? Ainge may have a different projection of him. He sure did with Rondo.

We also won't have Rondo for half the season, and even when Rondo comes back, we need a legit backup pg. If Schrouder is the real deal, it also could allow us to trade Rondo for a center.

Yea I haven't heard anybody project him as a 10 minute a game back up...

Rondo, when healthy, plays at least 38 minutes a night usually.  From what I have read about Schroeder, he's not the sort of player who could play alongside Rondo.

Hence, on this team he'd be playing 10-12 minuts a night backing up Rondo.


I certainly don't think there's much reason to think Schroeder could be an adequate replacement for Rondo.  He's not even the top ranked point guard in this draft.  The chances of him being anything better than an average starting point guard don't seem great to me.

Well first off, Rondo should not be playing 38 minutes per night.  He needs a backup and if he had one I'm sure he could reduce minutes.

He can also shoot some, so he could play alongside Rondo.  Not that it's ideal, but if he can defend, and he can shoot, they can play together.

And to your last point, everyone would have said the same thing about Rondo when he was drafted.  He is coming out of Euro basketball so there's a fair chance he will be underrated.  No guarantees of course but from what I've seen he has upside certainly.

And finally, if we are going into a rebuild at some point, taking who you see as the most talented player is the smart move.  It's all about building assets.

[BleedGreen1989]

To piggyback on that point, you say the chances of him being anything better than an average starting PG as if it's a knock on him. At #16 in a "weak" draft, if you can grab somebody capable of starting its a good draft.

[pearljammer10]

Weird. I'd be more happy with just keeping Schroeder. Let him bring his piano and everything.

I will give you a TP for your hilarity which seems to have been overlooked here. Love it.

Well I'm glad someone got it.

Was very surprised to see no reaction. I mean my classroom is covered with related memorabilia.

[hpantazo]

Excellent points. Not only should Rondo not be playing 38 minutes a night, this is even more true now that he's coming off ACL surgery. I'm sure his minutes will be cut significantly this year.

[jay]

I cd see this as a Rondo for Millsap, Burc, #14 trade.

Pierce and KG stay, they get a energy guy at the 4 in Millsap.  They showed they could play pretty well at times without Rondo.  Schroeder would be able to give them some point guard minutes. Burc and Bradley would get the rest I would assume.

KG Melo
Millsap Sullinger  Bass
Pierce  Green
Lee (Giannis #16) Terry
Schroeder  Bradley  Burc


Thats too much depth at the 2/3/4 and not enough at the 5.  Would like to see Lee/Bass traded for a 6-11 guy with a pulse. 

[pearljammer10]

I cd see this as a Rondo for Millsap, Burc, #14 trade.

Pierce and KG stay, they get a energy guy at the 4 in Millsap.  They showed they could play pretty well at times without Rondo.  Schroeder would be able to give them some point guard minutes. Burc and Bradley would get the rest I would assume.

KG Melo
Millsap Sullinger  Bass
Pierce  Green
Lee (Giannis #16) Terry
Schroeder  Bradley  Burc


Thats too much depth at the 2/3/4 and not enough at the 5.  Would like to see Lee/Bass traded for a 6-11 guy with a pulse.

I would hate to have a rookie starting on that squad. Especially one who has played against underwhelming competition.

[Snakehead]

Excellent points. Not only should Rondo not be playing 38 minutes a night, this is even more true now that he's coming off ACL surgery. I'm sure his minutes will be cut significantly this year.

Well he had the ACL like you say, but also if you remember he had some nagging issues otherwise throughout the year (and otherwise).  I know KG has said Rondo has played through injuries.

Pace him next year coming off the surgery for sure.  Obviously if we can give him some rest through the year we should. 


Yes, we need a big bad, but we literally don't have a backup PG... not sure if everyone understands that.  You can't complain if we take one, that's crazy.

[Yogi]

1.  Danny doesn't make promises.
2.  This is most probably a rumor leaked by Schroder's agent who knows that teams with 14th and 15th picks have huge needs at pg and a promise at 16 might just be the extra incentive they need to put him over Shane Larkin, Michael Carter Williams, or CJ McCollum. 

[PhoSita]

Well first off, Rondo should not be playing 38 minutes per night.  He needs a backup and if he had one I'm sure he could reduce minutes.

He can also shoot some, so he could play alongside Rondo.  Not that it's ideal, but if he can defend, and he can shoot, they can play together.

And to your last point, everyone would have said the same thing about Rondo when he was drafted.  He is coming out of Euro basketball so there's a fair chance he will be underrated.  No guarantees of course but from what I've seen he has upside certainly.

And finally, if we are going into a rebuild at some point, taking who you see as the most talented player is the smart move.  It's all about building assets.

For the most part, I don't disagree with you.

However, I think Rondo is always going to be playing 36+ minutes a night until he breaks down.  That's just the player he is, especially in the playoffs.

Second, even though taking the BPA is almost always the way to go, especially if you are rebuilding, you have to consider the opportunity that the player will get to develop.  For the above reason, Schroeder isn't going to get the same chance to develop as a big man with real talent and physical gifts.  Minutes are truly the "royal jelly" for prospects in this league and a PF/C would be more likely to get them.

I also disagree with the idea that because we have Fab Melo already we shouldn't pick up any more big man projects.  There's no guarantee Melo is going to pan out.  That, of course, is the nature of projects.  Also, even if Melo does pan out, is he going to play 48 minutes a night?  Chances are, the best we can hope for from Melo is that he is eventually capable of giving us 15-20 solid minutes a night at center.  There's still plenty of opportunity there for somebody who can also play at center and complement Sullinger in the post.

I definitely view trading Rondo in the near future as a high likelihood, so securing an heir is not a bad idea.  I just don't have much confidence that the 3rd or 4th rated point guard in this draft is likely to be that guy.

[Snakehead]

I cd see this as a Rondo for Millsap, Burc, #14 trade.

Pierce and KG stay, they get a energy guy at the 4 in Millsap.  They showed they could play pretty well at times without Rondo.  Schroeder would be able to give them some point guard minutes. Burc and Bradley would get the rest I would assume.

KG Melo
Millsap Sullinger  Bass
Pierce  Green
Lee (Giannis #16) Terry
Schroeder  Bradley  Burc


Thats too much depth at the 2/3/4 and not enough at the 5.  Would like to see Lee/Bass traded for a 6-11 guy with a pulse.

I would hate to have a rookie starting on that squad. Especially one who has played against underwhelming competition.

Obviously you don't want to start this guy right out.

He is only 19 years old though.  And with the Euro talk... in many ways, I think Euro basketball could be better than the pros for some players, especially how bigs operate in space and how lanes open up around the rim. 

Beyond that, how great is college basketball anymore?  All the quality players are one and done.

[lantinm]

I find it really hard to believe that Danny would allow this to get out four weeks before the draft.  This HAS to be a smokescreen.  Additionally, I believe Danny uses the same guys every year to leak false info.  While he may like Schroeder, I don't think that's his primary target.  Personally, I think the media remembers how he felt about Rondo on draft night and is now transferring that on to Schroeder (because they have similar skill-sets).