Jackie Mac: Millsap plan A for C's?

[SHAQATTACK]

trade Pierce, jet and Wilcox for Milsap

thanks

[CelticConcourse]

I'm not giving Green up for Millsap.

[KGs Knee]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

Acquiring Millsap without trading Green would at least mean that Green is relegated to the bench role that saw him scoring in single digits most nights and occasionally blowing up against bad teams. 

It definitely seems like they'd have to choose between one or the other in some sense, unless trading Pierce is part of acquiring him.

and i think that's an awful, awful idea not to keep Green in the starting line up or keep him at all.
for millsap, i'd give up bass and AB and like..DJ White or something

but isn't he a FA...why are we discussing trades?

and if we're getting rid of PP or JG, shouldn't we be looking for a SF and not another PF?

Why would we not look for a legit starting PF when we don't currently have one?

Having two starting caliber SF's, but no PF is what is awful.

[PhoSita]

This makes me hate David West more he's basicslly a clone of Milsap (probably better) and we could have had him for 2 years maybe more.

So frustrating how things can work out or not work out. Being a gm must suck

David West would have been a much better fit because he does what I just said -- plays like a center offensively while still spreading the floor a bit and having the ability to cover power forwards.  He's one of the best post scorers in the game and is a very solid rebounder.  Millsap is a rich man's Bass, basically.  He doesn't have the post game and he doesn't have the size to grab a ton of rebounds.

[csfansince60s]

No thanks on Millsap. Not what we need.

Everybody forget about Josh Smith? He's a game-changer. Millsap is a trenches guy.

We got one already in Sully. This is stupid.

[Boris Badenov]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

as a starter he avgd 20 and 5.9 this year, no? did the same in the playoffs -- numbers i think he can keep, but they were there nonetheless
you're assumption is that i was referring to a full season.
not my fault. yours.

Ugh. Not again.

Do you expect Green to shoot 52% from 3 point land next year, for the entire season?

Or play 43 minutes per game?

[kgainez]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

Acquiring Millsap without trading Green would at least mean that Green is relegated to the bench role that saw him scoring in single digits most nights and occasionally blowing up against bad teams. 

It definitely seems like they'd have to choose between one or the other in some sense, unless trading Pierce is part of acquiring him.

and i think that's an awful, awful idea not to keep Green in the starting line up or keep him at all.
for millsap, i'd give up bass and AB and like..DJ White or something

but isn't he a FA...why are we discussing trades?

and if we're getting rid of PP or JG, shouldn't we be looking for a SF and not another PF?

Why would we not look for a legit starting PF when we don't currently have one?

Having two starting caliber SF's, but no PF is what is awful.

i guess that's our difference in perception
Brandon Bass had a fair very end of the season and playoffs...much like he had all last season as a start. I also don't mind Sullinger starting. So for me...I'm cool in that position. Then you have JG who can slide down and u have Shav/DJ right now for if a guy gets in foul trouble.

[kgainez]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

as a starter he avgd 20 and 5.9 this year, no? did the same in the playoffs -- numbers i think he can keep, but they were there nonetheless
you're assumption is that i was referring to a full season.
not my fault. yours.

Ugh. Not again.

Do you expect Green to shoot 52% from 3 point land next year, for the entire season?

Or play 43 minutes per game?

he avgd 20.1 and 5.9 in 30+ minutes
and i do expect, doc to play the hell out of him next season, as a starter.

i'm well aware that the playoffs are a completely different thing. I was just making a point that I'm not too quick on giving up a guy who gets 2 rebounds less, can shoot better and has pretty similar stats in the remaining categories.

i also am of the lot that things we'll need jeff green too much next season with or without Paul Pierce. I guess I just thnk he will be key

Now, if we're talking Big Al, then that's different.

[AB_Celtic]

I would do Green for Millsap, but only if we sign Pietrus as our next move.

Ideally, though, we could do something like (Bass/Lee), Bradley and #16 for Millsap. I think Utah might prefer Lee though, because they need quality guards and are for sure set in the frontcourt.

So we could find ourselves at a logjam at the 4 with Millsap, Sully, and Bass. Nice problem to have for a terrible rebounding team! Make 'em fight for minutes by doing well on the boards.

[nickagneta]

Wouldn't Bass and Lee and the China 3 and a future first rounder get it done. Let's face it, the team doing the sign and trade don't usually get great deals when they do sign and trades because usually the UFA can just sign elsewhere and leave his old team with nothing. This trade gets them an excellent back up PF and a role playing starting caliber SG which they really need as Alec Burks, who they see very high on, still needs time to develop.

[bfrombleacher]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

as a starter he avgd 20 and 5.9 this year, no? did the same in the playoffs -- numbers i think he can keep, but they were there nonetheless
you're assumption is that i was referring to a full season.
not my fault. yours.

Ugh. Not again.

Do you expect Green to shoot 52% from 3 point land next year, for the entire season?

Or play 43 minutes per game?

He only takes like 3 threes a game.

[Roy H.]

Wouldn't Bass and Lee and the China 3 and a future first rounder get it done. Let's face it, the team doing the sign and trade don't usually get great deals when they do sign and trades because usually the UFA can just sign elsewhere and leave his old team with nothing. This trade gets them an excellent back up PF and a role playing starting caliber SG which they really need as Alec Burks, who they see very high on, still needs time to develop.

Utah has the ability to get way below the cap.  I don't think they'd sacrifice that cap flexibility to take on $30 million in contracts for two mediocre players.

A future #1 might be somewhat enticing, since the Celts are likely to go through a rebuilding process at some stage.  Bass and Lee are basically worthless to a team in Utah's situation, though.

[gpap]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

[snively]

I wonder if there is a three team trade with Pierce that makes sense.

Only thing I can think of is Pierce to Dallas for a trade exception with that trade exception going to Utah for Millsap. Jazz have a lot of cap space so a trade exception is fairly useless to them. Need to provide other incentive. Probably a first round pick. That might get it done. An asset for nothing (at no cost) if they are set to let Millsap leave anyway.

The Clippers - Pierce to LAC, Bledsoe + Caron Butler to Utah, Millsap and Grant Hill to Boston.

Utah gets a strong PG prospect (and one who can play defense) and a decent vet at the 3 in Butler.  LAC gets their 3rd wheel.  Boston gets a high quality starting PF.

[CelticConcourse]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

I'm willing to give him another chance.