Jackie Mac: Millsap plan A for C's?

[indeedproceed]

Having a hard time envisioning a realistic scenario that involves Millsap going to the Celtics.

Pierce, Bradley, the Chinese guys for Millsap, Marvin Williams

[indeedproceed]

Having a hard time envisioning a realistic scenario that involves Millsap going to the Celtics.

Pierce, Bradley, the Chinese guys for Millsap, Marvin Williams

Nope, Im wrong. Teams at the apron can't have more incoming salary in a S&T than is going out. Won't work.

[CelticConcourse]

I'm actually having second thoughts. I just looked at his stats and he's been on a decline for a while.  14 points and 7 rebounds per game on just over 32 minutes. I think this will make him much cheaper contract wise.
I'm assuming his decline has been from so many bigs at Utah been used in the paint but his minutes are still over 30 so I'm not sure. He shouldn't be on the decline because he's just reaching his prime. Did he have any injuries or ailments last season? I mean he's better than Bass but I'm actually disappointed after looking at his recent stats. Seems like he had a Courtney Lee type of year(poor).

His numbers per-36 do show a slight decline, you're right. From 18/9 to 17/8, roughly. Free throws and blocks were up though, which is usually not what you see from someone who's declining athletically. And, his assists were up too.

Declining athletically at age 27?

[Boris Badenov]

Having a hard time envisioning a realistic scenario that involves Millsap going to the Celtics.

Well, fine, but don't ruin the fantasy for the rest of us. Go tell some kid that there's no Easter Bunny, or something.

[Boris Badenov]

I'm actually having second thoughts. I just looked at his stats and he's been on a decline for a while.  14 points and 7 rebounds per game on just over 32 minutes. I think this will make him much cheaper contract wise.
I'm assuming his decline has been from so many bigs at Utah been used in the paint but his minutes are still over 30 so I'm not sure. He shouldn't be on the decline because he's just reaching his prime. Did he have any injuries or ailments last season? I mean he's better than Bass but I'm actually disappointed after looking at his recent stats. Seems like he had a Courtney Lee type of year(poor).

His numbers per-36 do show a slight decline, you're right. From 18/9 to 17/8, roughly. Free throws and blocks were up though, which is usually not what you see from someone who's declining athletically. And, his assists were up too.

Declining athletically at age 27?

Poor choice of words. You asked about injuries or ailments, I was saying his numbers didn't really fit the profile of someone who's hurt.

[chambers]

Bradley and Bass works for the numbers for Milsap.  I would assume the 16th is included and we get perhaps 46 their second rounder.  I doubt this gets it done though.

I actually think Sully could do better with 30 mins a game at 14 and 7.

We all know thoughts are never wrong.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sullija01.html

The 36 PER, which I do not like, shows Sully at 10.6 PPG and 10.7 RPG.   Less points but more boards.  But your 15/10 seems way off on the scoring but kudos for being spot on the boards.

I mean given that he was 10 and 10 in his first season as a rookie he'd have a good shot at becoming a 15/10 player in 30 mins as a starter.
Give him a good 3 seasons and he could be 18/10 if he figures out a jumpshot.

[PhoSita]

Having a hard time envisioning a realistic scenario that involves Millsap going to the Celtics.

Pierce, Bradley, the Chinese guys for Millsap, Marvin Williams

Is losing Pierce and Bradley to get Millsap and Marvin Williams really an upgrade anyway?

Even if it's doable by trading Pierce, what's the point?

[kgainez]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

[Roy H.]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

[PhoSita]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

Acquiring Millsap without trading Green would at least mean that Green is relegated to the bench role that saw him scoring in single digits most nights and occasionally blowing up against bad teams. 

It definitely seems like they'd have to choose between one or the other in some sense, unless trading Pierce is part of acquiring him.

[kgainez]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

as a starter he avgd 20 and 5.9 this year, no? did the same in the playoffs -- numbers i think he can keep, but they were there nonetheless
you're assumption is that i was referring to a full season.
not my fault. yours.

[BleedGreen1989]

Yuck. I have no interest in a Green/Milsap swap and I doubt Utah does.

I'd rather pursue bigs like Boozer or Koufos. Not saying they're as good but would likely cost us much less.

[kgainez]

So, how would we get him here?  I'm not seeing a realistic sign-and-trade.

Only option I see is Jeff Green. If Utah want him.

I would be all for that.

he gets about 1 rebound more than jeff green and 6 pts less. not interested

When has Green averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds over a full season?

Both overall and per-minute, Millsap averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Green, and shot a higher FG%. 

It's fine to prefer Green over Millsap, but let's not make up things that aren't based in reality.

Acquiring Millsap without trading Green would at least mean that Green is relegated to the bench role that saw him scoring in single digits most nights and occasionally blowing up against bad teams. 

It definitely seems like they'd have to choose between one or the other in some sense, unless trading Pierce is part of acquiring him.

and i think that's an awful, awful idea not to keep Green in the starting line up or keep him at all.
for millsap, i'd give up bass and AB and like..DJ White or something

but isn't he a FA...why are we discussing trades?

and if we're getting rid of PP or JG, shouldn't we be looking for a SF and not another PF?

[PhoSita]

I'm not sure Millsap is really the kind of guy we want to get to put next to KG, anyways.

As others have pointed out, KG is at his best when he has a big man anchoring the paint so he can float out to the elbow / perimeter.  The Celtics have had some success going with two big men at either elbow, but then we're basically ceding the paint except for whatever drives we can get out of Green and Rondo. 

Ideally we'd get somebody to approximate the way that KG and Shaq were able to play off one another.

Basically, KG is best when he can play as a center defensively and play like a perimeter PF offensively, and get paired with a guy who can defend power forwards and operate like a center offensively.  Millsap doesn't fit the bill.

[CelticG1]

This makes me hate David West more he's basicslly a clone of Milsap (probably better) and we could have had him for 2 years maybe more.

So frustrating how things can work out or not work out. Being a gm must suck