Jackie Mac: Millsap plan A for C's?

[PhoSita]

He did get the one part right that screams out not to go into the season with expectations of 30+ minutes a night for 82 games plus the playoffs out of Sully

a bad back that only lasted half a season

I do not trust players who have had any type of back issues.  There has to be in place ways to limit the amount of time the back is going to have game level stress on it so the talent is there long time.

Back injuries are not to be trifled with, that's for sure.

However, my (limited) understanding of the nature of Sullinger's back issue is that the surgery he got should help prevent it from being an ongoing concern. 

I wouldn't expect Sullinger to be at 100% until the later part of next season, but beyond that I think he'll be fine.  Certainly there's no reason to act like he's a lemon just because he had to get surgery halfway through the season.  They knew coming in that it was probably going to happen sooner or later, and they picked him anyway, I think, because they felt he would be useful before and after the issue was addressed.

In the half season he played, Sullinger was more than just an okay player.  He was a very solid player, especially when you consider that he's only 20 and it was his first year in the league.  Big men with that kind of talent, production, intelligence, and work ethic are hard to come by.

[wdleehi]

He did get the one part right that screams out not to go into the season with expectations of 30+ minutes a night for 82 games plus the playoffs out of Sully

a bad back that only lasted half a season

I do not trust players who have had any type of back issues.  There has to be in place ways to limit the amount of time the back is going to have game level stress on it so the talent is there long time.

Back injuries are not to be trifled with, that's for sure.

However, my (limited) understanding of the nature of Sullinger's back issue is that the surgery he got should help prevent it from being an ongoing concern. 

I wouldn't expect Sullinger to be at 100% until the later part of next season, but beyond that I think he'll be fine.  Certainly there's no reason to act like he's a lemon just because he had to get surgery halfway through the season.  They knew coming in that it was probably going to happen sooner or later, and they picked him anyway, I think, because they felt he would be useful before and after the issue was addressed.

In the half season he played, Sullinger was more than just an okay player.  He was a very solid player, especially when you consider that he's only 20 and it was his first year in the league.  Big men with that kind of talent, production, intelligence, and work ethic are hard to come by.

If I thought he was a lemon, I wouldn't care how they use him next year.


I want him here a long time.  Therefor, I want to see the Celtics be smart with him.  Having a player like Millsap would limit his minutes this season allowing him to impact the game off the bench.

[WeMadeIt17]

The only difference between bass and millsap is that i feel millsap will do more work around the basket. Bass seems to fall in love with the jumper and has no post moves. Me personally would rather have big al. Who may just have the best post moves in the NBA. That way KG could be more comfortable with his pick and POP game and take less strain on him down low. 

[PhoSita]

If I thought he was a lemon, I wouldn't care how they use him next year.


I want him here a long time.  Therefor, I want to see the Celtics be smart with him.  Having a player like Millsap would limit his minutes this season allowing him to impact the game off the bench.

Yeah, that's fine, I was mainly objecting to the language that the first guy used, acting like Sullinger was a player who wasn't that good and couldn't be counted on for anything moving forward.

Obviously Millsap is a better player than Sullinger.  Millsap isn't good enough, in my opinion, to leverage future assets in order to acquire him, nor would I expect the team to be elevated back to the status of contender with his addition.

[CFAN38]

Im not sure why the Jazz do this when they have the #14 and #21 picks but maybe

Bass + Lee + #16 for Milsap?

The money works with Paul getting 11mil next year.

Its not a sexy trade for Utah but they do get the bench equivalent of Milsap in Bass (for 6mill not 11mill) and Lee would be a rotation player if not starter for them. If rumors are true the #16 could be Dennis Schrouder there PG of the Future.

Jazz 2013-2014

C  Kantor
PF Favors
SF Hayward
SG Lee
PG Williams
6th Burke
7th Bass
8th #14pick (Plumlee?)
9th Schrouder

[LooseCannon]

The only difference between bass and millsap is that i feel millsap will do more work around the basket. Bass seems to fall in love with the jumper and has no post moves. Me personally would rather have big al. Who may just have the best post moves in the NBA. That way KG could be more comfortable with his pick and POP game and take less strain on him down low.

I posted this in another thread, but Milsap took 35% of his shots from within three feet of the basket last season, while Bass and Jefferson were in the 24-26% range and Milsap gets to the line as often as Bass and Jefferson combined.

My opening offer would be Bass, Lee, and the 2014 first-round pick (with top-12 protection) for Milsap and a couple of second-round picks.

[gpap]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

Truthfully, this may be the most ignorant and wrong-headed assessment of Sullinger's rookie season that I have seen.

Ask me if I care

[PhoSita]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

Truthfully, this may be the most ignorant and wrong-headed assessment of Sullinger's rookie season that I have seen.

Ask me if I care

I'm sure you don't.  Whether you ought to or not is a different discussion.

[gpap]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

Truthfully, this may be the most ignorant and wrong-headed assessment of Sullinger's rookie season that I have seen.

Ask me if I care

I'm sure you don't.  Whether you ought to or not is a different discussion.

My apologies. I've just been getting alot of criticism on this board lately. Nothing personal. Sorry.

[furball]

I wonder if there is a three team trade with Pierce that makes sense.

Only thing I can think of is Pierce to Dallas for a trade exception with that trade exception going to Utah for Millsap. Jazz have a lot of cap space so a trade exception is fairly useless to them. Need to provide other incentive. Probably a first round pick. That might get it done. An asset for nothing (at no cost) if they are set to let Millsap leave anyway.

The Clippers - Pierce to LAC, Bledsoe + Caron Butler to Utah, Millsap and Grant Hill to Boston.

Utah gets a strong PG prospect (and one who can play defense) and a decent vet at the 3 in Butler.  LAC gets their 3rd wheel.  Boston gets a high quality starting PF.

I like this.  It got me thinking, can we combine rumors?  Lets add the Steven A. Smith rumor.  Pierce, KG, and Doc to L.A., Butler and Bledsoe to Utah, Griffin to Sacramento and Millsap and Cousins to Boston.  You know, with the requisite cap filler thrown in.  I added the Cousins stuff because with Millsap and Sully Griffen becomes tradable (I wouldn't want him anyways).

That would work for me!!

[LilRip]

i like sully but i am very wary about players with back problems. i'm in the camp of "selling high", if his value is indeed high right now. anyway, on topic, i'd love to get millsap here. don't know what assets utah would want from us though.

to put things into perspective, fans often overrate their team's players and underrate other teams' players. so if you guys think Bass and Lee are trash, imagine what the fanbase of other teams must think. 

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Good point. *pops round to the Jazz forum to look* really, I don't know much about  Milsap but, the little I know's got me expecting that a big man rotation of KG-Milsap-Sully-Green-Melo-vet min big, is overall going to produce better than last season's KG-Bass-Green-Wilcox-the China boys-Melo, even assuming we lose Bass in the package to make it happen

[CelticConcourse]

On CSSNE

"Everyone knows that they covet Paul Millsap"

Asked what Plan A would be for the Celtics, she said Millsap

Also said she expects KG back for another year...

Utah Needs guards, have to assume it would be centred around Bradley... I'm a fan of Millsap but who knows what it would take to get a deal done.

saw this posted on realgm

To me , I rather see what we have in Sully as a starter...

We did see what we have in Sully last year, an out of shape forward with a bad back that only lasted half a season

Give me Millsap!

Truthfully, this may be the most ignorant and wrong-headed assessment of Sullinger's rookie season that I have seen.

Ask me if I care

Do you care?

[crimson_stallion]

If they want AB, why would we not get Al Jefferson instead? More of a center, which is what we need, right?

I think a starting power forward is more of a priority than a starting center. Someone who can keep up the team's defensive quickness which Millsap can certainly do.

Bass did a great job with his quicknessddefending Melo In the playoffs...look where that got us.

A bbig is definitely more important given our starting big isn't certain to return, and even if he does he can only play 25 mins per night.

[Celtics4ever]

a big man rotation of KG-Milsap-Sully-Green-Melo-vet min big, is overall going to produce better than last season's KG-Bass-Green-Wilcox-the China boys-Melo,

Melo will be lucky if he is here next year.   He is not NBA rotation ready folks.  China boys were better than him.   I bet Randolph would destroy him down low.