Interesting comments from Dr J about how PG's control the offense(Rondo)

[nickagneta]

To me, this Rondo spends the whole time dribbling and ruins the offense stuff is right up there with the

Rindo doesn't hold the ball any more or less than the other great PGs in this league. But what he does do is something Erving did talk about. He gets the players the ball where they like to shoot it, in a position to most quickly get a shot off, and he gets the ball to the man with the mismatch. He's maybe the best in the league at these things.

Funny. You'd think we weren't 20-23 with a ball-stopping point guard this year.

This one definitely goes in my "Rondo: Urban Legend" file.

Not sure what you mean here. If you mean we were 20-23 because of Rondo, I would strongly disagree because the erratic to poor play from most of the team the first half of the season seems to me a be a more significant reason for the 20-23 record.

[CelticG1]

If you don't like how Rondo runs the offense you have to at least blame Doc for 50% of that.

He calls the plays, he schemes for other teams, he decides who plays or not, he puts in Rondo to try and continue streak record.

I think a lot of it is overblown but people make it seem like Rondo is going against Doc but doc is playong him 40+ so seems to be part of his gameplan.

Plus Dr. J is just one opinion and it was an extrmely obvious comment to make like saying "teams don't play as hard on d" or "better when teams disliked eachother" or "used to have better fundamentals".

Lots of things have changed. PGs easily have it the best on offense. Thy are the quickest guys in the league with the best handle. Its pretty impossible to guard without fouling. Kinda makes sense to have the ball in those types of guys hands. Its why there are so many "good" pgs in the league right now.

And most dominate the heck out of the ball

[Yogi]

Rondo is impossible.  He is the only "ball-stopping" guy in history to lead the league in assists. 

[thirstyboots18]

At any rate, Rondo said that he would change his game to fit any system Doc asked of him.  So next year, with a few faster players in the stable and a preseason under their belt, we shall see if Doc changes the system, or if Rondo gets traded.  I know a few teams (Bulls, Lakers) who would probably be glad to take him off our hands.

[Celtics18]

Rondo is impossible.  He is the only "ball-stopping" guy in history to lead the league in assists.

Right.  The Impossible Rondo . . .

[Casperian]

I think maybe casperian was being sarcastic, meaning he doesn't think Rondo passes the ball....just holds it.  Like I said, everyone has an opinion, 

No, Casperian was not being sarcastic.

For a "pass-first PG" to be effective, he needs the ball a lot.
If he has the ball a lot, it´s not team ball.

[thirstyboots18]

I think maybe casperian was being sarcastic, meaning he doesn't think Rondo passes the ball....just holds it.  Like I said, everyone has an opinion, 

No, Casperian was not being sarcastic.

For a "pass-first PG" to be effective, he needs the ball a lot.
If he has the ball a lot, it´s not team ball.

I guess I misunderstood you.  Now that you have explained it....I still don't understand.  I have never heard it explained quite like that.

[BballTim]

To me, this Rondo spends the whole time dribbling and ruins the offense stuff is right up there with the

Rindo doesn't hold the ball any more or less than the other great PGs in this league. But what he does do is something Erving did talk about. He gets the players the ball where they like to shoot it, in a position to most quickly get a shot off, and he gets the ball to the man with the mismatch. He's maybe the best in the league at these things.

Funny. You'd think we weren't 20-23 with a ball-stopping point guard this year.

This one definitely goes in my "Rondo: Urban Legend" file.

  Funny, you'd think we took more of our shots late in the shot clock than other teams with a ball-stopping point guard controlling the ball on every possession. Or maybe that the percentage of our shots that came late in the shot clock would have gone way down after he left the lineup. Neither of those happened, because this is sitting in your "Rondo: Urban Legends" file even though your idea of what was happening on the court is verifiably false.

[BballTim]

What Dr. J said actually shows what Rondo does.  Rondo not only has the ability to pinpoint mismatches and identify foul trouble, he has the IQ and ability to get the ball to the right man.  Unfortunately we were not able to do that without him in the playoffs which lead to countless turnovers and Pierce Isos.

  Yeah, Rondo's probably better at creating/spotting mismatches than any other pg in the game. Watch the Celts play and you'll generally see at least 4-5 plays a game where Rondo or Terry or another small guard is under the basket covering a pf/c and the other pg just runs whatever play they'd originally planned on. That rarely if ever happens if a guard's covering KG.

[slamtheking]

To me, this Rondo spends the whole time dribbling and ruins the offense stuff is right up there with the

Rindo doesn't hold the ball any more or less than the other great PGs in this league. But what he does do is something Erving did talk about. He gets the players the ball where they like to shoot it, in a position to most quickly get a shot off, and he gets the ball to the man with the mismatch. He's maybe the best in the league at these things.

Funny. You'd think we weren't 20-23 with a ball-stopping point guard this year.

This one definitely goes in my "Rondo: Urban Legend" file.

  Funny, you'd think we took more of our shots late in the shot clock than other teams with a ball-stopping point guard controlling the ball on every possession. Or maybe that the percentage of our shots that came late in the shot clock would have gone way down after he left the lineup. Neither of those happened, because this is sitting in your "Rondo: Urban Legends" file even though your idea of what was happening on the court is verifiably false.

or that several other players on the team that were expected to score were stinking up the joint before Rondo went out.  -->Lee, Green, PP, JET, Bass.  No one was hitting shots that they should have been hitting.  the improved record didn't come from rondo leaving but from PP and Green (mostly) starting to make their shots.

[wdleehi]

What I would love to see is for the whole team to get on the same page and see the pass after the first pass from Rondo. 




I still think some of the best offensive running PGs do not always get all the assists.  Those are the PGs with the vision to see two or three passes ahead with a team they trust to make those passes.  (I am not saying Rondo can't or doesn't do this)

[nickagneta]

What I would love to see is for the whole team to get on the same page and see the pass after the first pass from Rondo. 




I still think some of the best offensive running PGs do not always get all the assists.  Those are the PGs with the vision to see two or three passes ahead with a team they trust to make those passes.  (I am not saying Rondo can't or doesn't do this)

Agree 100%. And in the past that has happened. Pierce KG and Allen were still making the extra pass for years. But Danny started to add players to the team where the ball got stuck in their hands. Players like Rasheed and Bass and Green and I think as Rondo grew as a player, Allen and Pierce started letting the ball stick in their hands because they wanted their shots too.

Since 2011, this offense has gotten worse because I think that extra pass is not being made.

[Vermont Green]

What I would love to see is for the whole team to get on the same page and see the pass after the first pass from Rondo. 




I still think some of the best offensive running PGs do not always get all the assists.  Those are the PGs with the vision to see two or three passes ahead with a team they trust to make those passes.  (I am not saying Rondo can't or doesn't do this)

Yes, this is my criticism of Rondo.  He tends to hold the ball until he can make a pass that leads directly to a shot.  He is good at this and often this works out well.

Better though is a team where everyone is passing to just make the next pass and to keep the ball (and the people) moving.

The problem is that once Rondo doesn't have the ball, he is far less effective.  He will get some offensive rebounds which is great but he doesn't really occupy a defender.  Better more consistent straight up shooting is the only thing that will change this.

Rondo is a good but flawed player.  If he improves on his flaws, he will be a better player.  At this point, his flaws are well known to the league so teams can exploit these flaws.

[thirstyboots18]

What I would love to see is for the whole team to get on the same page and see the pass after the first pass from Rondo. 




I still think some of the best offensive running PGs do not always get all the assists.  Those are the PGs with the vision to see two or three passes ahead with a team they trust to make those passes.  (I am not saying Rondo can't or doesn't do this)

Yes, this is my criticism of Rondo.  He tends to hold the ball until he can make a pass that leads directly to a shot.  He is good at this and often this works out well.

Better though is a team where everyone is passing to just make the next pass and to keep the ball (and the people) moving.

The problem is that once Rondo doesn't have the ball, he is far less effective.  He will get some offensive rebounds which is great but he doesn't really occupy a defender.  Better more consistent straight up shooting is the only thing that will change this.

Rondo is a good but flawed player.  If he improves on his flaws, he will be a better player.  At this point, his flaws are well known to the league so teams can exploit these flaws.

I don't know if that is Rondo's fault, Doc's fault, or the other players fault. I do know I start throwing things when I see people camped out  at the three point line, standing and watching for something to happen instead of moving and causing something to happen.  I feel if they were moving and cutting, the ball would be moving, too.

[D.o.s.]

What I would love to see is for the whole team to get on the same page and see the pass after the first pass from Rondo. 




I still think some of the best offensive running PGs do not always get all the assists.  Those are the PGs with the vision to see two or three passes ahead with a team they trust to make those passes.  (I am not saying Rondo can't or doesn't do this)

Yes, this is my criticism of Rondo.  He tends to hold the ball until he can make a pass that leads directly to a shot.  He is good at this and often this works out well.

Better though is a team where everyone is passing to just make the next pass and to keep the ball (and the people) moving.

The problem is that once Rondo doesn't have the ball, he is far less effective.  He will get some offensive rebounds which is great but he doesn't really occupy a defender.  Better more consistent straight up shooting is the only thing that will change this.

Rondo is a good but flawed player.  If he improves on his flaws, he will be a better player.  At this point, his flaws are well known to the league so teams can exploit these flaws.

I don't know if that is Rondo's fault, Doc's fault, or the other players fault. I do know I start throwing things when I see people camped out  at the three point line, standing and watching for something to happen instead of moving and causing something to happen.  I feel if they were moving and cutting, the ball would be moving, too.

I think it's a chicken or the egg problem.

Players are certainly aware of their own numbers, and obviously want to come away with an impressive box score. We all saw Rondo's play during the assist streak, and you could probably teach a masterclass on the difference between making the best play available and passing for the assist on footage from those games alone.

But, on the flip side, there's four other guys on the floor who are on the receiving end of those passes. They don't have to shoot it right away just to get Rondo the assist.

Bad ball movement comes from all five guys, not just one.