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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2013, 11:27:26 PM »

Offline Smutzy#9

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]In our range?

Jeff Whitey would be my first on the list. He defends without fouling, mobile and while lacks strength, doesnt mind the physicality. Perfect last line of defense for us.


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I actually really enjoy Jeffs game. Legit big who defends well, blocks shots clogs up the lane and can score when people dont give him notice. In saying that though, dont we already kinda have that in fab melo

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2013, 11:30:45 PM »

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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2013, 11:35:23 PM »

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I wouldn't mind Giannis, Schroeder or Ledo.  Getting size wouldn't be bad but this team is rebuilding or going to really soon; I want highest upside possible.  Also these guys are all exciting to watch.

I like Ledo a lot.  Not only is he plenty athletic but from what I saw of him in high school, he might be the most skilled player in this draft.  Had he been eligible, he might be a top three pick right now. 

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2013, 12:40:52 AM »

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i would love nerlens noel, but in our range? steven adams.
 wait to read my reasons before you rip me apart:

everyone on here seems to not understand how to evaluate a player.

dieng is a 23 year old! he wouldn't even be projected in the top 20 if it weren't for a run with louisville that gave him lots of exposure.

olynyk is a good player, and i wouldn't be disappointed if we grabbed him. he's 21 years old, his advanced metrics are good. as a center in the ncaa he had a winscore of 15 or so i think, which is pretty much the highest in the whole ncaa this year. he'll be a good player.

to me dario saric seems to be role player material. in the draft you should really swing for the fences and grab anyone who has potential to one day be an all-star. the kid is already saying something along the lines of he might never come to the nba if he isn't picked in the lottery. his wingspan is average. his athleticism isn't all that great. he doesn't have that much room for growth.

i wouldn't mind dennis schroder - if danny did his homework and liked him enough.

Giannis Adetokumbo is so poorly developed at this point, there is no way he's woth the 16th pick in the draft. however if danny traded down and grabbed him at 22 or later i would be okay with that.

i wouldn't mind CJ McCollum. he'll be about as good as jameer nelson was in his prime. cj could def fall to us due to lack of athleticism.

anthony bennett is not dropping to us. no way he falls that low. if alen lex fell to us i would be happy, but realistically, widely being seen as the best big in the draft - it's unlikely he does - even with the stress fracture he has.

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archie goodwin cant play. he's super athletic, but can't play basketball that well going off of this year, which should be a prerequisite for anyone going in the first round! myck kabongo should be in the 2nd round of the draft.

i wouldn't have a problem with jeff whitey if we were at about the 20th pick, but since we have 16, and are bordering on the lottery we should really swing for the fences and get someone who could be amazing - not a 23 year old who is close to his peak.

i wouldn't mind ricky ledo, but not at 16.

i wouldn't mind kentavious caldwell-pope. he'll end up being a terrence ross type player. but i would swing for the fences here if i was danny.

if all goes badly take a chance on tony mitchell. he'll be about as good as josh smith if his attitude isn't too bad - but apparently it may be - so dannys going to have to do his homework or we'll have another gerald green on our hands (super talented, no work ethic).

so the case for steven adams. first of all san antonio is interested in him. if san antonio is interested, he's probably got potential to be a really good player - but that aside:

he had the exact same winscore as alex len (in other words they were both as effective at playing the center position in the ncaa this year).

adams is a really good rebounder and defender. in the draft compared to other centers pace adjusted per 40 minutes - adams is the third best rebounder. only nerlens noel and dieng are better than him. he is the third best blocking big man in the draft pace adjusted per 40 minutes only noel and whitey are better than him.

 he is only 19 and had a winscore of 12, whereas dieng is 23 and had a winscore of 14 (which is nothing). he is very athletic for such a big guy. i think in the workouts his stock will only rise. i disagree with others thinking his character isn't that good. i think he's only going to be a high character guy who will work so hard to improve - and high character guys only improve.

at this stage his offense is limited, but so is nerlens noels - and nerlens noel is the only true superstar of this whole draft in my opinion. additionally nerlens noel grew up in america where basketball is a major sport! he's grown up with it. adams is from new zealand where basketball is about as big as ice curling is in america. he hasn't played basketball even close to the amount of time nerlens noel has.

his frame is amazing, with hug room for growth. he'll be able to bang down low in the pros just simply because of his size!

adams is only 19 and will improve a lot! if someone compares him to fab melo that person is cluless! already advanced metrics show that adams is better than fab melo ever was in college. fab was 23 when he was drafted, adams will be 19. to properly compare the two you will have to wait four years more. four years of development! that is  A LOT for someone who is only 19!!! granted if he was 23 or even 22 - four years of improvement isn't that big a deal - but generally speaking, the younger they are the more potential they have to grow.

in conclusion, this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mmdpZD61dUw

if he's still on the board and danny doesnt grab him (provided someone amazing isn't there) im gonna be distraught.
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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2013, 01:10:42 AM »

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i would love nerlens noel, but in our range? steven adams.
 wait to read my reasons before you rip me apart:


I do like Steven Adams a lot.  He comes with a recommendation from Scal who worked out with him.  But he is far from ready to contribute.  He will not be nearly as effective at rebounding right away in the NBA.  He was actually very poor at defensive rebounding.  He was able to pad the stats on the offensive end similar to Fab Melo.  I like the potential in his body and his IQ but he is still learning the game.  His feel still has a long way to go.  If we do draft him he would be at least a one year project, which is not at all bad for a 19 year old big man. 
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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2013, 02:41:34 AM »

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i would love nerlens noel, but in our range? steven adams.
 wait to read my reasons before you rip me apart:


I do like Steven Adams a lot.  He comes with a recommendation from Scal who worked out with him.  But he is far from ready to contribute.  He will not be nearly as effective at rebounding right away in the NBA.  He was actually very poor at defensive rebounding.  He was able to pad the stats on the offensive end similar to Fab Melo.  I like the potential in his body and his IQ but he is still learning the game.  His feel still has a long way to go.  If we do draft him he would be at least a one year project, which is not at all bad for a 19 year old big man.

yeah he's a project, but in saying that, i dont think he's going to spend all year in the d-league. i really think he could come off the bench for 15 minutes half way through the season.

offensively he's a project. no doubt. defensively i think he would definitely be able to contribute half way through the season. either way, if he were to come out next year he could possibly be a top 10 pick, so you gotta take him if he's still there.

like i said, his stock is only going to rise after the combine. he's too good an athlete for it not to.

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2013, 03:41:58 AM »

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I want a big who can catch the ball ( finish off alley opps and dump offs) who can defend the rim and rebound.  I hated the Melo pick because of his bad hands and lack of rebounding.  Assuming we do what Scal wants and bring it all back we don't need a scorer or a big that needs the ball to play like Olynyk ( not to mention his lack of athletic ability and poor rebounding.)   Withey, Deing or Adams is fine by me.

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2013, 09:27:38 AM »

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Move up and draft Shabazzzzz. None of the bigs in our range impress me. Maybe Dieng if he wasn't already 24 years old.

I'm swinging for the fences on this as well

Also, if Myck Kabango slips into the 2nd round somebody is getting a steal. I'd be pumped to nab him at this stage.
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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2013, 03:11:36 PM »

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I think a darkhorse option could be Tony Snell (New Mexico). Besides rebounding, a big weakness this year was perimeter shooting IMO. All the guards we brought in had horrible shooting years. Snell could be one of the best shooters in this draft while having a lot of potential on the defensive side of the ball too. He also has had a lot of success in late gamre shooting which is something I always value.

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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2013, 03:24:26 PM »

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i would love nerlens noel, but in our range? steven adams.
 wait to read my reasons before you rip me apart:

everyone on here seems to not understand how to evaluate a player.

dieng is a 23 year old! he wouldn't even be projected in the top 20 if it weren't for a run with louisville that gave him lots of exposure.

olynyk is a good player, and i wouldn't be disappointed if we grabbed him. he's 21 years old, his advanced metrics are good. as a center in the ncaa he had a winscore of 15 or so i think, which is pretty much the highest in the whole ncaa this year. he'll be a good player.

to me dario saric seems to be role player material. in the draft you should really swing for the fences and grab anyone who has potential to one day be an all-star. the kid is already saying something along the lines of he might never come to the nba if he isn't picked in the lottery. his wingspan is average. his athleticism isn't all that great. he doesn't have that much room for growth.

i wouldn't mind dennis schroder - if danny did his homework and liked him enough.

Giannis Adetokumbo is so poorly developed at this point, there is no way he's woth the 16th pick in the draft. however if danny traded down and grabbed him at 22 or later i would be okay with that.

i wouldn't mind CJ McCollum. he'll be about as good as jameer nelson was in his prime. cj could def fall to us due to lack of athleticism.

anthony bennett is not dropping to us. no way he falls that low. if alen lex fell to us i would be happy, but realistically, widely being seen as the best big in the draft - it's unlikely he does - even with the stress fracture he has.

AVOID SHABAZZ MUHAMMAD LIKE THE PLAGUE!

archie goodwin cant play. he's super athletic, but can't play basketball that well going off of this year, which should be a prerequisite for anyone going in the first round! myck kabongo should be in the 2nd round of the draft.

i wouldn't have a problem with jeff whitey if we were at about the 20th pick, but since we have 16, and are bordering on the lottery we should really swing for the fences and get someone who could be amazing - not a 23 year old who is close to his peak.

i wouldn't mind ricky ledo, but not at 16.

i wouldn't mind kentavious caldwell-pope. he'll end up being a terrence ross type player. but i would swing for the fences here if i was danny.

if all goes badly take a chance on tony mitchell. he'll be about as good as josh smith if his attitude isn't too bad - but apparently it may be - so dannys going to have to do his homework or we'll have another gerald green on our hands (super talented, no work ethic).

so the case for steven adams. first of all san antonio is interested in him. if san antonio is interested, he's probably got potential to be a really good player - but that aside:

he had the exact same winscore as alex len (in other words they were both as effective at playing the center position in the ncaa this year).

adams is a really good rebounder and defender. in the draft compared to other centers pace adjusted per 40 minutes - adams is the third best rebounder. only nerlens noel and dieng are better than him. he is the third best blocking big man in the draft pace adjusted per 40 minutes only noel and whitey are better than him.

 he is only 19 and had a winscore of 12, whereas dieng is 23 and had a winscore of 14 (which is nothing). he is very athletic for such a big guy. i think in the workouts his stock will only rise. i disagree with others thinking his character isn't that good. i think he's only going to be a high character guy who will work so hard to improve - and high character guys only improve.

at this stage his offense is limited, but so is nerlens noels - and nerlens noel is the only true superstar of this whole draft in my opinion. additionally nerlens noel grew up in america where basketball is a major sport! he's grown up with it. adams is from new zealand where basketball is about as big as ice curling is in america. he hasn't played basketball even close to the amount of time nerlens noel has.

his frame is amazing, with hug room for growth. he'll be able to bang down low in the pros just simply because of his size!

adams is only 19 and will improve a lot! if someone compares him to fab melo that person is cluless! already advanced metrics show that adams is better than fab melo ever was in college. fab was 23 when he was drafted, adams will be 19. to properly compare the two you will have to wait four years more. four years of development! that is  A LOT for someone who is only 19!!! granted if he was 23 or even 22 - four years of improvement isn't that big a deal - but generally speaking, the younger they are the more potential they have to grow.

in conclusion, this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mmdpZD61dUw

if he's still on the board and danny doesnt grab him (provided someone amazing isn't there) im gonna be distraught.
Yes Dieng is 23 but hes a 23 year old who only started playing a few years ago and who has already made a huge improvement from just last year. He has a very steep learning curve (meaning he learns quicky) and loves to win. Things that can not be taught.

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2013, 04:43:47 PM »

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I think a darkhorse option could be Tony Snell (New Mexico). Besides rebounding, a big weakness this year was perimeter shooting IMO. All the guards we brought in had horrible shooting years. Snell could be one of the best shooters in this draft while having a lot of potential on the defensive side of the ball too. He also has had a lot of success in late gamre shooting which is something I always value.

http://nbadraft.net/players/tony-snell

I second at the thought of grabbing snell.  Like a Jeff Green at times a little too passive. But if he can get the right motivator, he could become one of those special players. Just lights out shooter with perfect quick shooting form, and prob top 5 clutch player in this whole draft.  (the other Burke, Mcollum, Snaer)

Nbadraft.net has him up all the way to 19 from the 2nd round previously

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2013, 05:03:29 PM »

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Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2013, 05:27:32 PM »

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I have a strong feeling Bradley will be traded for a higher pick.

Id like two of three players.

Alex Len
Shabazz Muhammad
Dennis Schroeder

Schroeder is in our range.

Shabazz could be had with a pick gained from a Bradley trade.

Shabazz is a scorer. Pure and simple. He can learn other aspects of the game, but you cant teach scoring instincts like he has. He is underrated because people are looking for the archetypal rounded player.He is like a small version of Zach Randolph. A black hole of sorts, somewhat predictable, but unstoppable when in groove.

Len is the best centre in this draft.

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2013, 05:49:36 PM »

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Yeah I would not draft Shabazz Muhammad. Dude walked off the court after his team hit a game winner because he diddnt get to take the shot.

Re: Who do you want in our range in this draft?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2013, 06:04:12 PM »

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1. Adetokunbo (would love to trade up to get him)
2. Dieng (nice hands, can defend)
3. Schroeder (could be a Dee Brown for us ? )
4. Plumlee (has probably peaked already)
5. Muhammad (don't see him slipping that far)