2013 CB Historical Draft Thread

[Moranis]

The Washington Bullets are proud to select at number 12, from the University of North Carolina:

Bob McAdoo

There is the guy I was thinking of.  MVP in a 30+/14+ season.  Not too many of those guys floating around.

[ronaldo943]

The Washington Bullets are proud to select at number 12, from the University of North Carolina:

Bob McAdoo

Great pick in MVP year 34 points 14 rebounds 2 blocks 50%fg and 80% from free throw

[RebusRankin]

Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.

[AB_Celtic]

Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.

Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk, .547
'74-'75  34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512, MVP

[Rondo2287]

Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.

Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk .547
'74-'75  34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512

When in doubt go mvp year

[Moranis]

Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.

I was going to take him at 6 had Dr. J not dropped to me.  Just a great scorer and rebounder (though the defense is lacking).

[KCattheStripe]

Looking to acquire an additional 2nd

[Moranis]

Looking to acquire an additional 2nd

depending how the round starts tomorrow I might be willing to trade my 2nd.

[GreenFaith1819]

I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.

For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.

His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.

Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:

18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.

In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo

And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.

As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.

I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?

I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.

Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.

[RebusRankin]

I like Walton, would have taken him if he dropped. I think people just valued Magic among others more.

Overall a nice first round imo. Interested to see what people do tomorrow.

[Kane3387]

Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.

Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk .547
'74-'75  34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512

When in doubt go mvp year

Agreed.

[Donoghus]

Things are going to be getting real subjective with players real soon. 

Thought there was a solid core of 7-8 guys going into today that were cornerstones while there are now a ton that wouldn't shock me if they went 2nd round or 4th round.  It's all about where you value them or if you draft for chemistry purposes.

[Moranis]

I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.

For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.

His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.

Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:

18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.

In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo

And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.

As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.

I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?

I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.

Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.

Even in his "healthy" year he still missed almost 21% of the regular season.  You see that is the problem with Walton.  He was never healthy.  You also get fairly similar production from a guy like Dave Cowens. 

With Magic Johnson on the board (and Bird and Kareem gone) you had to take Magic.  I really can't see the logic of any other player in that spot. 

[nickagneta]

I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.

I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.

I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.

Ultimately my top 5 players went

Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving

And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center  would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.

[Moranis]

I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.

I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.

I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.

Ultimately my top 5 players went

Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving

And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center  would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.

As you know we had the same top 5.  I was surprised McAdoo lasted till 12, though I figured I wouldn't have needed to take him at 6, which is what I had on my list.  People always forget about McAdoo, but in this format his scoring and rebounding are huge assets.  Also, unlike most centers of his time, he had a very stong mid range game and was an excellent jump shooter.