2013 CB Historical Draft Thread

[AB_Celtic]

I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.

I disagree here, for two main reasons.
1. There are only 12 teams, so there's less "dilution" of talent.
2. Because we can choose any year for a given player, that greatly increases the amount of all-star talent. As an example, in a present-day draft, imagine being able to select Amar'e at his best. I bet you the Pick 2 for the Knicks wouldn't have been Melo and Tyson.

Just my two cents.

[Roy H.]

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized.  Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick. 

The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent.  Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on.  I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him.  That's going to cause some debate.

And I passed on Magic for good reason.

I wanted the best available big in this format this year, which isn't plentiful at all.

I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.

By the time the 2nd round ends, there "could" be at least 2 HOFers on every team..if one GM choses, they could have 3.
I just couldn't pass on Bill Walton. I was a bit surprised when Magic fell, but I also was wary of his defense and limitations. I tossed his "star" power out the window, because he won't have Kareem under the basket in this game, and he may not have ______________.

I just think that at the end of this game we will see quite different outcomes that will cause us to realize just how fortunate Larry and Magic were, as far as talent surrounding them.

I think you could have thrown Magic out there with the 1997 Celtics and he would have had them contending.  He and Larry had every bit as much franchise-altering talent as MJ.

[RebusRankin]

Agree with Roy's take on Magic's and ABs. Can think of many players who could be paired well with Magic at all positions.

[wdleehi]

I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.

I disagree here, for two main reasons.
1. There are only 12 teams, so there's less "dilution" of talent.
2. Because we can choose any year for a given player, that greatly increases the amount of all-star talent. As an example, in a present-day draft, imagine being able to select Amar'e at his best. I bet you the Pick 2 for the Knicks wouldn't have been Melo and Tyson.

Just my two cents.

Yep.


See my pick. 

In 82-83, he was a 20 minute a game player averaging 8 and 7.


But go back in history, I have an NBA MVP capable of averaging 20 and 16.


(not to mention the NBA all-defensive team selections)

[ronaldo943]

The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.

I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.

Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st

[Who]

I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.

Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.

In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.

I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.

[RebusRankin]

I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.

Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.

In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.

I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.

Just curious but over Magic?

I think people's criticism was taking Walton over Magic not taking Walton.

[ronaldo943]

Wow just found out Who is a GM and he has Magic i want to see the type of team he builds

[Who]

I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.

Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.

In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.

I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.

Just curious but over Magic?

I think people's criticism was taking Walton over Magic not taking Walton.

I would have taken Magic over Walton myslef but I have no criticisms for someone taking Walton instead. I have both players are in the same tier.

I didn't think Walton would go ahead of Magic but I think he is a justifiable selection. In this setup where only one season counts, Walton is just as valuable in my eyes as Bird / Magic / Kareem. He is one of those guys that benefits greatly from these rules because his short peak and lack of longevity don't matter. Plus, I think players who can dominate games without scoring is so valuable in a fantasy league full of scorers.

[RebusRankin]

Thanks Who.

Appreciate the analysis as always. Am looking forward to seeing how you build around Magic.

[nickagneta]

I happen to think the big players of this era are as numerous and as high in quality as just about any era in NBA history. The amount of All-Star non Hall of Fame bigs are tremendous, IMHO.

[nickagneta]

The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.

I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.

Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st

I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.

And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.

I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.

Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.

[KCattheStripe]

The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.

I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.

Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st

I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.

And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.

I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.

Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.

The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.

[nickagneta]

The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.

I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.

Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st

I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.

And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.

I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.

Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.

The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.

To be honest, I'm not sure Isiah was even the best PG left on the board. So I would have taken Cowens.

Don't forget the player list is on the front page. Everyone should have known Cowens played in 82-83.

[KCattheStripe]

The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.

I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.

Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st

I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.

And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.

I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.

Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.

The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.

To be honest, I'm not sure Isiah was even the best PG left on the board. So I would have taken Cowens.

Don't forget the player list is on the front page. Everyone should have known Cowens played in 82-83.

There's no other PG that was the best player on 2 championship teams. That being said, pretty sure I know who you're talking about and it'd be fun to pair him with Zeke.