Darko, in todays Herald.....!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I'm firmly convinced that players who don't have the mental makeup to handle some time on the bench are ultimately too fragile to be able to be difference makers in the long run.

Ray Allen

Exactly..TP there....!!! Defending the dumb decision to continually sit guys you sign is a sign of some mental disorder..or some GOD complex.....!!!

[kozlodoev]

I'm firmly convinced that players who don't have the mental makeup to handle some time on the bench are ultimately too fragile to be able to be difference makers in the long run.

Ray Allen

Exactly..TP there....!!! Defending the dumb decision to continually sit guys you sign is a sign of some mental disorder..or some GOD complex.....!!!

Except Allen is coming off the bench in Miami, in quite a diminished role, and doing just fine. Don't confuse a grudge with Rajon Rondo with inability to handle a role.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I'm firmly convinced that players who don't have the mental makeup to handle some time on the bench are ultimately too fragile to be able to be difference makers in the long run.

Ray Allen

Exactly..TP there....!!! Defending the dumb decision to continually sit guys you sign is a sign of some mental disorder..or some GOD complex.....!!!

Except Allen is coming off the bench in Miami, in quite a diminished role, and doing just fine. Don't confuse a grudge with Rajon Rondo with inability to handle a role.

Well, a grudge is a sign of maturity and professionalism ..isn't it.....remember all the times Rondo didn't pass to ray-ray...ya...me neither...!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Ray left because they signed Jason terry.....

[kozlodoev]

Ray left because they signed Jason terry.....

And that's relevant to his diminished role in Miami how?

[kozlodoev]

I'm firmly convinced that players who don't have the mental makeup to handle some time on the bench are ultimately too fragile to be able to be difference makers in the long run.

Ray Allen

Exactly..TP there....!!! Defending the dumb decision to continually sit guys you sign is a sign of some mental disorder..or some GOD complex.....!!!

Except Allen is coming off the bench in Miami, in quite a diminished role, and doing just fine. Don't confuse a grudge with Rajon Rondo with inability to handle a role.

Well, a grudge is a sign of maturity and professionalism ..isn't it.....remember all the times Rondo didn't pass to ray-ray...ya...me neither...!

I didn't say anything about maturity or professionalism. This is still completely irrelevant to my argument.

Or to explain in more detail: Ray Allen took his to demotion to the bench in stride, never said anything to the media or skipped a beat on the court. Maybe he handled his exit from Boston like another word for a donkey, but that's still completely irrelevant.

Darko, on the other hand, pretty much whined himself out of town because he was a DNP for a handful of games. Not only is it a completely different situation, it is also illustrative about a completely different type of mental makeup. Story of Darko's career, he folds at the first sign of adversity (cue in certain post-game interview from FIBA play).

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Ray left because they signed Jason terry.....

And that's relevant to his diminished role in Miami how?

Ray left here, because he saw his role diminished by the signing of Jason terry....that is that....he left because he thought he would sit. That has to do with what we were talking about. He left, like Darko did. He and Terry....same role..you know that...so ray was better at it...his role in Miami....well.....that is another story....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

who id darko whine to...you...did he call you..WOW...nice..! Both he and ray did the SAME THING....words....actions.....it is maturity, because they babied up by crying and leaving....that is wht you say about darko...and ray did the same thing......I don't see the diff....

[Celtics4ever]

I think of a lot of things when I think of a "Celtic".

Quitting on the team because you're not getting the playing time you feel you deserve isn't one of them.

I concur wholeheartily. TP.  Darko deserves no spot in the Celtic Pantheon.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well in the end....like someone recently said...at this point, what does it matter....I doubt darko is coming back....so...we need a center......

[kozlodoev]

who id darko whine to...you...did he call you..WOW...nice..! Both he and ray did the SAME THING....words....actions.....it is maturity, because they babied up by crying and leaving....that is wht you say about darko...and ray did the same thing......I don't see the diff....

No, they didn't. Darko actually asked to be waived. (and, as he turns out, he pretty much lied about the reasons: http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/04/darko_milicic_says_leaving_bos.html). He wasn't needed when he didn't play; and the fact that he's so fickle means he wasn't available when he was indeed needed.

Allen played out his contract and left, and gave us meaning contribution while he was under contract.

If you think that's the same thing I guess you just don't understand the issue.

[NocturnalRebel]

He showed positive signs. He was 'Celtic'. I just wish he hadn't walked away.

I think of a lot of things when I think of a "Celtic".

Quitting on the team because you're not getting the playing time you feel you deserve isn't one of them.

Of course it isn't. That's common sense. I was referring back to training camp when Doc had Darko calling himself "Celtic". You didn't catch that. It's fine.

[LooseCannon]

If Darko were the kind of guy who wouldn't walk away that early in the season, then he probably wouldn't have been available for the minimum.

I suspect one thing that gets players in Doc's doghouse is unhappiness about their role.  That's why players such as Ray Allen, Glen Davis, and Tony Allen left.  I suspect that is probably one reason why Kenyon Martin isn't a Celtic.  I wonder if it is a problem with Courtney Lee.  A similar concern is why the Spurs waived Stephen Jackson just before the playoffs.

[j804]

If Darko were the kind of guy who wouldn't walk away that early in the season, then he probably wouldn't have been available for the minimum.

I suspect one thing that gets players in Doc's doghouse is unhappiness about their role.  That's why players such as Ray Allen, Glen Davis, and Tony Allen left.  I suspect that is probably one reason why Kenyon Martin isn't a Celtic.  I wonder if it is a problem with Courtney Lee.  A similar concern is why the Spurs waived Stephen Jackson just before the playoffs.

He didn't look happy at all during the playoffs, rarely got up and cheered teammates after big plays.

[kozlodoev]

If Darko were the kind of guy who wouldn't walk away that early in the season, then he probably wouldn't have been available for the minimum.

I suspect one thing that gets players in Doc's doghouse is unhappiness about their role.  That's why players such as Ray Allen, Glen Davis, and Tony Allen left.  I suspect that is probably one reason why Kenyon Martin isn't a Celtic.  I wonder if it is a problem with Courtney Lee.  A similar concern is why the Spurs waived Stephen Jackson just before the playoffs.

There's a difference between being in the doghouse, and having aspirations for a greater role than the team has assigned you in their rotation.

Neither of those players really was in the doghouse, as they has pretty set roles over their Celtics careers... at least for the part until someone outplayed them for the spot.