Darko, in todays Herald.....!

[timobusa]

Darko would have at least gave us 3 to 5 more wins just by being a physical player.

He's not afraid to "rough" someone up.

And that's one of the few things we needed this season.

We did not have real enforcers.

But overall, we still would have not won a title this year.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Doc should have played Darko more -- the need for a legitimate center was glaringly apparent -- but I doubt his presence would have changed the outcome of our season.

But you're absolutely right, Doc isn't shy about putting guys into his doghouse.  Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is probably in the eye of the beholder.

I never got to see him play...I was sorta just saying....as you did..wondering what he would have gave us...the reports all said he was looking very good....then doc just SAt him...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Darko would have at least gave us 3 to 5 more wins just by being a physical player.

He's not afraid to "rough" someone up.

And that's one of the few things we needed this season.

We did not have real enforcers.

But overall, we still would have not won a title this year.

true...but he might have provided us one less hole to fill in for next year......!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Did anybody else catch celtics training camp on NBA TV before the season started?

There is a clip of pChrisierce talking to some of the other teammates and saying (I am paraphrasing, but this is pretty close) "Guys, if you guys get in trouble, get Darko the ball at the top of the key and he'll bail you out.  He plays smart."

That was our captain, a celtics legend, saying that about Darko.  If he saw what Darko could do, how could Doc miss it.

I love Doc, but to me that his greatest weakness.  His dependence on vets and his lack of trust on young or newer guys.  He knows he runs a complicated system.  He has to let guys figure it out while playing in the regular season rather than totally crushing their morale by doghousing them at the first sign of trouble.  Docs list is long: Nate, Darko, Baby, Troy Murphy, Wilcox, even bradley initially, etc.

Not saying using darko would mean we win a ring, bit i do believe we would have had a better season and healthier KG.

In defense of Doc, Darko ended up sitting out the entire season - no other team was willing to pick him up even for the vet min. Honestly, Darko could've stayed and proved himself to get into the rotation, he chose not to. Look at Sully, he wasn't getting huge mins to start the season but he worked his butt off and got into the rotation

As far as Doc not playing certain guys, you're right.  He doesn't play guys who don't earn and deserve playing time. Nate had some nice moments when he was here, but he also had tons of mental lapses and boneheaded plays. Same for Glen Davis. Troy Murphy was unbelievably useless whenever he saw the court. And I still contend Avery wasn't ready for prime time - had he ever had an off-season to work on his game, maybe his breakthrough would've come sooner.

For every player you say didn't get playing time, there's players that did. Keyon Dooling, Mikael Pietrus, Leon Powe, the aforementioned Jared Sullinger, Marquis Daniels, last season's  Chris Wilcoz - those are new/young guys that did get playing time under Doc. If we were rebuilding, maybe those other guys & some of the other binkies (JJJ, Giddens, Lester Hudson) might have played more but as a playoff team, it's only natural Doc plays the guys he trusts.

marquis vdaniels was the reason we lost tony allen...md was a BIG mistake maker...more so than anyone else, with little upside....yes, I saw him play a few games that he lookind like he wasn't smoking something.but not enough to ever earn a spot, or playing time...that alone puts your standards in question.....I mean in evaluating doc.....

[chambers]

I was surprised Darko didn't join another team. I expected him to sign with someone in Europe for good money. But he sat out the whole season. Surely he would have offers both here in the NBA and abroad in Europe.

For that reason, I am inclined to believe Darko left due to personal reasons (sick mother?) and not because of playing time. Since he choose not to sign for anyone else.

Exactly. Would he really quit after 11 games? Doc sets the tone early that bull#&+$ won't be tolerated and this guy is a big enough chump to quit after just 11 games? There have always been rumors that Darko lacks heart but I don't believe he'd bolt just because of that. If he did quit that early I don't want the chump on the Celtics anyway.

[Neurotic Guy]

It was printed in todays Herald that Darko officially left because of NO playing time....so doc puts kg at CENTER..where he said he DOESN'T want to play....has a good center..doesn't play him at all....then look at Nate Robinson...playing great....sat out here....Tony Allen starter for Memphis....he sat a lot here..perkins.....all players all over the league that SAT here....go on to become impact players under different rule......We had no reason to lose darko, TA, Nate.....

Nate had ups and downs in Boston but did play 18MPG in 2010-11 under Doc -- not exactly sitting out. He played 25MPG this year on a team whose starting PG was out the entire season. 
Tony Allen averaged between 16 and 24MPG in his 6 years under Doc.  He started some before Ray arrived, but once Ray was here (except when one was injured) we had Paul Pierce and Ray Allen -- which hall-of-famer would you have sat in favor of Tony Allen?   DA might have been mistaken to let TA go, but Doc played him plenty (and there were often complaints here about him playing too much).

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I don't really care

Then don't comment.




To the OP - I agree that Doc should have played Darko more. He showed some GREAT play in the preseason. He was passing well, making short jumpers, and rebounding. Almost like a mini Marc Gasol. And goodness knows I love Marc Gasol.

Tp...thanks....I only figured darko would give kg the help he wanted....and I don't like how doc makes decisions that hurt the team......all bigs seem to come here an leave....not all, but it seems that way still....

[chambers]

Did anybody else catch celtics training camp on NBA TV before the season started?

There is a clip of pChrisierce talking to some of the other teammates and saying (I am paraphrasing, but this is pretty close) "Guys, if you guys get in trouble, get Darko the ball at the top of the key and he'll bail you out.  He plays smart."

That was our captain, a celtics legend, saying that about Darko.  If he saw what Darko could do, how could Doc miss it.

I love Doc, but to me that his greatest weakness.  His dependence on vets and his lack of trust on young or newer guys.  He knows he runs a complicated system.  He has to let guys figure it out while playing in the regular season rather than totally crushing their morale by doghousing them at the first sign of trouble.  Docs list is long: Nate, Darko, Baby, Troy Murphy, Wilcox, even bradley initially, etc.

Not saying using darko would mean we win a ring, bit i do believe we would have had a better season and healthier KG.

In defense of Doc, Darko ended up sitting out the entire season - no other team was willing to pick him up even for the vet min. Honestly, Darko could've stayed and proved himself to get into the rotation, he chose not to. Look at Sully, he wasn't getting huge mins to start the season but he worked his butt off and got into the rotation

As far as Doc not playing certain guys, you're right.  He doesn't play guys who don't earn and deserve playing time. Nate had some nice moments when he was here, but he also had tons of mental lapses and boneheaded plays. Same for Glen Davis. Troy Murphy was unbelievably useless whenever he saw the court. And I still contend Avery wasn't ready for prime time - had he ever had an off-season to work on his game, maybe his breakthrough would've come sooner.

For every player you say didn't get playing time, there's players that did. Keyon Dooling, Mikael Pietrus, Leon Powe, the aforementioned Jared Sullinger, Marquis Daniels, last season's  Chris Wilcoz - those are new/young guys that did get playing time under Doc. If we were rebuilding, maybe those other guys & some of the other binkies (JJJ, Giddens, Lester Hudson) might have played more but as a playoff team, it's only natural Doc plays the guys he trusts.

marquis vdaniels was the reason we lost tony allen...md was a BIG mistake maker...more so than anyone else, with little upside....yes, I saw him play a few games that he lookind like he wasn't smoking something.but not enough to ever earn a spot, or playing time...that alone puts your standards in question.....I mean in evaluating doc.....

The reason we lost Tony Allen was because he was sue for a much larger paycheck. I hope you're not going to blame Doc for him leaving? He's a starter on Memphis but I doubt that he'd ever start for us with such a lack of scoring on our team.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

and add ray allen to the list.....

[sofutomygaha]

Darko is so overated.

This put a HUGE smile on my face. Most people think he's one of the biggest draft busts in history, a bad teammate, and a lazy worker. Yet I might agree with you. The fact that anyone is talking about him at all may indeed mean that he's overrated.

Also overrated- rotovirus? coal in your stocking on christmas? Donal Trump's haircut?

[Smartacus]

If there's one problem I've had with Doc its been his unwillingness to utilise talented European big men.

I feel like Semih Erden was traded when Doc gave up on him, Euroleague MVP candidate Nenad Krstic is a just a trivia answer to the "other guy in the Perkins trade" question and like someone said earlier Darkos' s high post presence was fun to watch. He's a much better player than Jason Collins but Doc never gave him a shot.

For me Krstic stings the worst since he had legitimate size for the postion, an automatic jump shot and could play off the ball, but unforunately th  e Glen Davis Show ended up with his minutes despite him never finding his rhythm all year. I felt like Doc was willing to lose with the roster he liked rather than try to integrate the better player for the system like a Gregg Popovich would do. Dujan Blair might be the best bench warmer in the league but if he can't fit the system he can't play.

[greensquirrel]

I was surprised Darko didn't join another team. I expected him to sign with someone in Europe for good money. But he sat out the whole season. Surely he would have offers both here in the NBA and abroad in Europe.

For that reason, I am inclined to believe Darko left due to personal reasons (sick mother?) and not because of playing time. Since he choose not to sign for anyone else.

This.

Herald is officially speculating.
In other news, we were done the moment Rondo went down. No role/bench player would have made a difference.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I was surprised Darko didn't join another team. I expected him to sign with someone in Europe for good money. But he sat out the whole season. Surely he would have offers both here in the NBA and abroad in Europe.

For that reason, I am inclined to believe Darko left due to personal reasons (sick mother?) and not because of playing time. Since he choose not to sign for anyone else.

This.

Herald is officially speculating.
In other news, we were done the moment Rondo went down. No role/bench player would have made a difference.

THE HERALD...sounds more like YOU are.....YOU have better news sources than the Herald....? REALLY... Point is.again, we would have another piece....someone we should have kept.....give kg the help he needs, one less spot to fill....as we STILL do not have a real center...!!! We HAD the guy.....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

If there's one problem I've had with Doc its been his unwillingness to utilise talented European big men.

I feel like Semih Erden was traded when Doc gave up on him, Euroleague MVP candidate Nenad Krstic is a just a trivia answer to the "other guy in the Perkins trade" question and like someone said earlier Darkos' s high post presence was fun to watch. He's a much better player than Jason Collins but Doc never gave him a shot.

For me Krstic stings the worst since he had legitimate size for the postion, an automatic jump shot and could play off the ball, but unforunately th  e Glen Davis Show ended up with his minutes despite him never finding his rhythm all year. I felt like Doc was willing to lose with the roster he liked rather than try to integrate the better player for the system like a Gregg Popovich would do. Dujan Blair might be the best bench warmer in the league but if he can't fit the system he can't play.

Tp there , good points all around.....forgot about those guys...it all adds up to the same conclusion....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Did anybody else catch celtics training camp on NBA TV before the season started?

There is a clip of pChrisierce talking to some of the other teammates and saying (I am paraphrasing, but this is pretty close) "Guys, if you guys get in trouble, get Darko the ball at the top of the key and he'll bail you out.  He plays smart."

That was our captain, a celtics legend, saying that about Darko.  If he saw what Darko could do, how could Doc miss it.

I love Doc, but to me that his greatest weakness.  His dependence on vets and his lack of trust on young or newer guys.  He knows he runs a complicated system.  He has to let guys figure it out while playing in the regular season rather than totally crushing their morale by doghousing them at the first sign of trouble.  Docs list is long: Nate, Darko, Baby, Troy Murphy, Wilcox, even bradley initially, etc.

Not saying using darko would mean we win a ring, bit i do believe we would have had a better season and healthier KG.

In defense of Doc, Darko ended up sitting out the entire season - no other team was willing to pick him up even for the vet min. Honestly, Darko could've stayed and proved himself to get into the rotation, he chose not to. Look at Sully, he wasn't getting huge mins to start the season but he worked his butt off and got into the rotation

As far as Doc not playing certain guys, you're right.  He doesn't play guys who don't earn and deserve playing time. Nate had some nice moments when he was here, but he also had tons of mental lapses and boneheaded plays. Same for Glen Davis. Troy Murphy was unbelievably useless whenever he saw the court. And I still contend Avery wasn't ready for prime time - had he ever had an off-season to work on his game, maybe his breakthrough would've come sooner.

For every player you say didn't get playing time, there's players that did. Keyon Dooling, Mikael Pietrus, Leon Powe, the aforementioned Jared Sullinger, Marquis Daniels, last season's  Chris Wilcoz - those are new/young guys that did get playing time under Doc. If we were rebuilding, maybe those other guys & some of the other binkies (JJJ, Giddens, Lester Hudson) might have played more but as a playoff team, it's only natural Doc plays the guys he trusts.

marquis vdaniels was the reason we lost tony allen...md was a BIG mistake maker...more so than anyone else, with little upside....yes, I saw him play a few games that he lookind like he wasn't smoking something.but not enough to ever earn a spot, or playing time...that alone puts your standards in question.....I mean in evaluating doc.....

The reason we lost Tony Allen was because he was sue for a much larger paycheck. I hope you're not going to blame Doc for him leaving? He's a starter on Memphis but I doubt that he'd ever start for us with such a lack of scoring on our team.

Wrong-o...TA left because docv and danny gambled on marquise being the better player..TA wanted ONE more year at 3.5 mill....marquis got ......3.5 million....THAT was the deal, so yes, it was danny/doc.....TA is still there, and MUCH better all around than marquis....we all saw md....he had "moments" that he played....which makes you wonder why he could only do it now and then...after the surgery, TA got better every year..it was a much easier decision..especially after how TA worked over D Wadde and LeBron.....TA is still doing very well....wade and LeBron are still in the way....and marquis is scrubbing on the Bucks...or smoking....now and then......