Stephen A Smith: Caron Butler, Bledsoe, Blake Griffin..for KG, Pierce...and Doc?

[kozlodoev]

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

Take out Bass and the salaries work. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgedsft

Pretty fair to me... swap PG's (Bradley-Bledsoe), SF's (Pierce-Butler), PF's (Sullinger-Griffin), and C's (Garnett-Jordan).

However, we'd basically be the Clippers:
PG: Rondo ~= Paul
SG: Lee ~= W.Green
SF: J.Green ? Butler
PF: Griffin = Griffin
C: Jordan = Jordan

So really, the question is do you think Jeff Green is enough to push us over the top; that is, make us better than the current Clippers? I don't know if he is.

Except Jeff Green is head and shoulders above the calcified remains of Caron Butler.

[CoachBo]

It's a whacky report.

But ... there are some legitimate reasons for the notion to appeal to the Clippers, and nobody's brought up the prospect of one expiring - Pierce - and one probable retiree - Garnett.

Don't like the idea of Doc going with them - Griffin could become an HOFer playing for Rivers - but beyond that, this is a deal I'd make in a minute.

Of course, it's kinda like expecting to go home tonight and find Heidi Klum sitting on my front porch.

Or for some of you, Rondo sitting on your front porch. 

[LarBrd33]

As Bulpett just explained in his myth-busting article ( http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/05/celtics_myths_miss_point ) ... Boston was never close to landing DeAndre Jordan and Bledsoe for KG.  Not even close. 

Fact is, our elderlies don't have any trade value at this point in their careers.  THere's absolutely zero chance we can land that kind of package for them.  The best offer we were getting for Paul pierce at the deadline was Kris Humphries. 

The idea that we could get a young allstar big man like Blake Griffin for these two is so ridiculous it should get someone fired.

[Fafnir]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

[Moranis]

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

Take out Bass and the salaries work. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgedsft

Pretty fair to me... swap PG's (Bradley-Bledsoe), SF's (Pierce-Butler), PF's (Sullinger-Griffin), and C's (Garnett-Jordan).

However, we'd basically be the Clippers:
PG: Rondo ~= Paul
SG: Lee ~= W.Green
SF: J.Green ? Butler
PF: Griffin = Griffin
C: Jordan = Jordan

So really, the question is do you think Jeff Green is enough to push us over the top; that is, make us better than the current Clippers? I don't know if he is.

trade machine doesn't have Griffin's extension because it hasn't gone into effect yet.  Blake makes 16.4 million next year, which means you have to have Bass or the salaries don't work the other way.

And I'm confused, why would being the Clippers be so bad, especially in the eastern conference?

[kozlodoev]

And I'm confused, why would being the Clippers be so bad, especially in the eastern conference?

I guess the rationale is that since both teams were good for a first-round exit this year, it's some sort of a lateral move?

[LooseCannon]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

There were several reports at the time that the division was Vinny del Negro wanting the deal and the front office not so much.  Actually, it was said the front office ws dead set against it.  It sounded a bit like VdN wanted it and was willing to go over the front office's heads and lobby Donald Sterling directly for a deal.  It probably had something to do with the coach not getting along with Deandre Jordan and wanting to "win now" in the last year of his contract.

[AB_Celtic]

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

Take out Bass and the salaries work. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgedsft

Pretty fair to me... swap PG's (Bradley-Bledsoe), SF's (Pierce-Butler), PF's (Sullinger-Griffin), and C's (Garnett-Jordan).

However, we'd basically be the Clippers:
PG: Rondo ~= Paul
SG: Lee ~= W.Green
SF: J.Green ? Butler
PF: Griffin = Griffin
C: Jordan = Jordan

So really, the question is do you think Jeff Green is enough to push us over the top; that is, make us better than the current Clippers? I don't know if he is.

trade machine doesn't have Griffin's extension because it hasn't gone into effect yet.  Blake makes 16.4 million next year, which means you have to have Bass or the salaries don't work the other way.

And I'm confused, why would being the Clippers be so bad, especially in the eastern conference?

I never said it was bad. It's certainly better than where we're at now. However, we'd be stuck there for a while due to salaries, and as of now I don't consider the Clippers a contender in the playoffs.

But yes, we would be a top 5 team in the east, I believe.

[LarBrd33]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

It was always overblown.  The media feeds off those kind of rumors.  Every time I heard about the KG for Bledsoe/Jordan rumor, it was made clear that only Vinny Del Negro had some interest in it... not management.

It was never close to happening.  Doesn't make sense to trade young starters for a half season rental of a 37 year old big.

[Moranis]

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

Take out Bass and the salaries work. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgedsft

Pretty fair to me... swap PG's (Bradley-Bledsoe), SF's (Pierce-Butler), PF's (Sullinger-Griffin), and C's (Garnett-Jordan).

However, we'd basically be the Clippers:
PG: Rondo ~= Paul
SG: Lee ~= W.Green
SF: J.Green ? Butler
PF: Griffin = Griffin
C: Jordan = Jordan

So really, the question is do you think Jeff Green is enough to push us over the top; that is, make us better than the current Clippers? I don't know if he is.

trade machine doesn't have Griffin's extension because it hasn't gone into effect yet.  Blake makes 16.4 million next year, which means you have to have Bass or the salaries don't work the other way.

And I'm confused, why would being the Clippers be so bad, especially in the eastern conference?

I never said it was bad. It's certainly better than where we're at now. However, we'd be stuck there for a while due to salaries, and as of now I don't consider the Clippers a contender in the playoffs.

But yes, we would be a top 5 team in the east, I believe.

Top 2 team in the east (maybe top 3 if Rose is fully healthy next year for Chicago).  The Clippers won 56 in the west this year and would have been the 2 seed this year in the east with that record.  They also played the worse possible match-up this year as they just can't handle the Gasol/Zbo duo down low (Blake was in constant foul trouble).  No team in the east has that kind of duo.  The Clippers would have been in the ECF against Miami this year in the east and you just never know what would have happened in that series.

EDIT: Del Negro also horribly mismanaged the Clippers roster in the playoffs.  They had way too many player getting big minutes and no real flow.  They should have shrunk the rotation down a lot, and just didn't do it.

[Moranis]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

It was always overblown.  The media feeds off those kind of rumors.  Every time I heard about the KG for Bledsoe/Jordan rumor, it was made clear that only Vinny Del Negro had some interest in it... not management.

It was never close to happening.  Doesn't make sense to trade young starters for a half season rental of a 37 year old big.

Unless you realize that Jordan is horribly overpaid and Bledsoe is leaving as a free agent.

[Fafnir]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

It was always overblown.  The media feeds off those kind of rumors.  Every time I heard about the KG for Bledsoe/Jordan rumor, it was made clear that only Vinny Del Negro had some interest in it... not management.

It was never close to happening.  Doesn't make sense to trade young starters for a half season rental of a 37 year old big.

Unless you realize that Jordan is horribly overpaid and Bledsoe is leaving as a free agent.

Yup. And he's a starter who his coach treats as is he's 2007-2008 Perkins, won't see the floor in the fourth at all.

Plus it sounds like Jordan is both a knucklehead and best friends with Blake, not a great combination.

[Moranis]

Once sentence in a post season article with one source saying the Clippers weren't ever going to do it.

Or weeks of reports and articles all pointing to that deal being discussed repeatedly among the GMs and between CP3 and KG themselves.

From ever report since the begining of the KG to Clippers talk its been said the organization was divided on it. Bulpett's source was likely close to the side that was dead against it.

It was always overblown.  The media feeds off those kind of rumors.  Every time I heard about the KG for Bledsoe/Jordan rumor, it was made clear that only Vinny Del Negro had some interest in it... not management.

It was never close to happening.  Doesn't make sense to trade young starters for a half season rental of a 37 year old big.

Unless you realize that Jordan is horribly overpaid and Bledsoe is leaving as a free agent.

Yup. And he's a starter who his coach treats as is he's 2007-2008 Perkins, won't see the floor in the fourth at all.

Plus it sounds like Jordan is both a knucklehead and best friends with Blake, not a great combination.

I actually didn't like the trade because Jordan was included in it.  I would have much preferred Caron Butler with a separate move of Pierce.  Jordan is just not a player I would want in a rebuilding situation as his contract is awful for what he provides.  That said, the trade in this thread where we get Blake as well, I am much more ok with because with Blake and Rajon the team isn't a rebuilding team and a center like Jordan, even with him being grossly overpaid, is a good fit with the skill set of Griffin.