Ray Allen won't wear green shoes

[CelticsFan9]

I'm sure ray is thrilled playing 15 min less the game, taking fewer shots, scoring less, and having worse fg and 3 point percentage.

Keep fighting that fight tho ray

If he ends this season with another ring *Very likely* then I'm sure he will be thrilled.

TP was going to say the same thing.

[CelticConcourse]

Doc is accountable. But he's still better than most coaches in this league... I'd take Doc Rivers over "Ty Corbin" every day of the week.

[BballTim]

I'm sure ray is thrilled playing 15 min less the game, taking fewer shots, scoring less, and having worse fg and 3 point percentage.

Keep fighting that fight tho ray

If he ends this season with another ring *Very likely* then I'm sure he will be thrilled.

  No doubt, especially since he's probably convinced himself that he's playing a bigger role on the Heat than he did on the Celts despite his numbers being down almost across the board.

[CelticConcourse]

I'm sure ray is thrilled playing 15 min less the game, taking fewer shots, scoring less, and having worse fg and 3 point percentage.

Keep fighting that fight tho ray

If he ends this season with another ring *Very likely* then I'm sure he will be thrilled.

  No doubt, especially since he's probably convinced himself that he's playing a bigger role on the Heat than he did on the Celts despite his numbers being down almost across the board.

But isn't that what makes Spo.... great?

Great coaches try to satisfy their players asmuch as possible in order to make their team the best. Spo has made Ray feel important (even if he isn't actually important) and his team is prospering.

[csfansince60s]

I'm sure ray is thrilled playing 15 min less the game, taking fewer shots, scoring less, and having worse fg and 3 point percentage.

Keep fighting that fight tho ray

If he ends this season with another ring *Very likely* then I'm sure he will be thrilled.

  No doubt, especially since he's probably convinced himself that he's playing a bigger role on the Heat than he did on the Celts despite his numbers being down almost across the board.

People who know in their hearts that they did the wrong thing often lie to themselves and others.

Et tu Judas?

[CelticG1]

I'm sure ray is thrilled playing 15 min less the game, taking fewer shots, scoring less, and having worse fg and 3 point percentage.

Keep fighting that fight tho ray

If he ends this season with another ring *Very likely* then I'm sure he will be thrilled.

TP was going to say the same thing.

Minus tp. Yoy guys aren't reading the initial post.

Says nothing about being happy about winning. Says he is happy about being a bigger part of the offense which any stats or anyones naked eye can clearly point out isnt true.

Just like when he left Boston and said he wasnt happy with his role (lie) now he is continuing to lie by saying that hes happy that he is nore involved with the offense.

Please Ray just give it up. Even people on this board who defend you will say that you went there to ring chase, something he very much a little too proud to admit

[LEHGOCELTICS]

Doc mismanaged him. Really missing Ray Ray right now....sigh anything would be better than our current '6th Man'.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

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now this is neither here nor there and I'm not someone who's hellbent on missing/needing Ray. But I just thought this last sentence was very telling...

Privately, Allen is pleased with the increased offensive freedom he’s received from Spoelstra, specifically posting up smaller players, which is something he said he wasn’t allowed to do in Doc Rivers’s offense.

says a lot to me...to those of you who get mad with Jeff just hovering around the 3pt line or Shav always under the basket or T-Will not shooting, etc. etc. Just wondering at what point are we going to start holding Doc accountable.

dude, plenty here have held him accountable for his crap offensive coaching for ages here.

[indeedproceed]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/04/20/firings-byron-scott-lawrence-frank-jumpstart-open-season-coaching-changes/yHty7cPuTudcbQlS3Q7CkM/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

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now this is neither here nor there and I'm not someone who's hellbent on missing/needing Ray. But I just thought this last sentence was very telling...

Privately, Allen is pleased with the increased offensive freedom he’s received from Spoelstra, specifically posting up smaller players, which is something he said he wasn’t allowed to do in Doc Rivers’s offense.

says a lot to me...to those of you who get mad with Jeff just hovering around the 3pt line or Shav always under the basket or T-Will not shooting, etc. etc. Just wondering at what point are we going to start holding Doc accountable.

dude, plenty here have held him accountable for his crap offensive coaching for ages here.

Oddly enough, without one of JET or Lee (we likely wouldn't have signed/acquired both), after Rondo went down and before Green came into his own as a good but not great offensive tool, Ray Allen would've have an opportunity of divine providence to re-affirm him legacy as an elite shooter in a way that dwarfs any handful of game winners in another Miami run. He could've been in line for 19 points a night, and the clear second option on offense, and seconary ball-handler behind Pierce.

Now even with Ray, the C's probably wouldn't be much better off record-wise or odds-wise to advance beyond not only NY, but beyond..at least not on paper. But in our hearts and minds, the season that could've been with Ray would've been a lot fuzzier. A nicer swan song for a Big-3 who deserve it.

[BballTim]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/04/20/firings-byron-scott-lawrence-frank-jumpstart-open-season-coaching-changes/yHty7cPuTudcbQlS3Q7CkM/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

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now this is neither here nor there and I'm not someone who's hellbent on missing/needing Ray. But I just thought this last sentence was very telling...

Privately, Allen is pleased with the increased offensive freedom he’s received from Spoelstra, specifically posting up smaller players, which is something he said he wasn’t allowed to do in Doc Rivers’s offense.

says a lot to me...to those of you who get mad with Jeff just hovering around the 3pt line or Shav always under the basket or T-Will not shooting, etc. etc. Just wondering at what point are we going to start holding Doc accountable.

dude, plenty here have held him accountable for his crap offensive coaching for ages here.

Oddly enough, without one of JET or Lee (we likely wouldn't have signed/acquired both), after Rondo went down and before Green came into his own as a good but not great offensive tool, Ray Allen would've have an opportunity of divine providence to re-affirm him legacy as an elite shooter in a way that dwarfs any handful of game winners in another Miami run. He could've been in line for 19 points a night, and the clear second option on offense, and seconary ball-handler behind Pierce.

  Not without a time machine.

[kgainez]

I think some of us are grabbing for straws here. First, the comment on the article isn't even really about Ray. But 2, since we are talking about Ray I just wish you all would put yourselves in his shoes.

You came to Boston and were asked to be one of the guys. As time progressed, that role dramatically decreased, you won 1 ring your first year and every year after that, you stumbled. You were strictly a 3 point shooter while a guy like Rondo got to do whatever he wanted. As a vet, I'm sure that would rub you the wrong way. KG and PP have no issues because their role hasn't changed.

It's always going to be easier to play a different, lesser role for a different team (especially a reigning champ going for a repeat).

My point was not whether Ray has the right to whine or not. Yea, I think he's a coward. But people have left the Cs before because of these reasons. And if a guy like JET leaves and decides to not be classy and air Doc out, you all aren't going to listen because JET sucked while he was here. What I'm saying is maybe there's a bit of truth to the idea that Doc is waayyyy to specific and won't the group of guys he has, esp here, play free.

You all act like JET doesn't have a ring and didn't singlehandedly change at least 2 games against the Heat. Courtney Lee can do things and is a great complimentary player. Jeff Green had a poor start thanks to a number of things. How are you all going to feel if we trade Jeff, he becomes a #2 guy and ends up a contender for a scoring title? I totally think that's possible as well. As a person who WATCHES Jeff Green there are times where it just feels like he's stopping himself not because he wants to or is reserved, but because someone is telling him.

It's happened with Nate Robinson. Jermaine O'Neal has had flashes of greatness over in Phoenix (he had a handful of double doubles).  Ray Allen ate Jason Terry OFF THE DRIBBLE in our 2nd to last game against the Heat. It's not like he was drilling 3s in his face. He took dude to the hole. Ryan Hollins has even had some stand out games. You all don't at least ever think about why that type of thing never really happened while these ppl were Celtics? Even when healthy?

[CelticConcourse]

I kinda had to stop reading after here...

KG and PP have no issues because their role hasn't changed.

Is that really true? 

[indeedproceed]

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now this is neither here nor there and I'm not someone who's hellbent on missing/needing Ray. But I just thought this last sentence was very telling...

Privately, Allen is pleased with the increased offensive freedom he’s received from Spoelstra, specifically posting up smaller players, which is something he said he wasn’t allowed to do in Doc Rivers’s offense.

says a lot to me...to those of you who get mad with Jeff just hovering around the 3pt line or Shav always under the basket or T-Will not shooting, etc. etc. Just wondering at what point are we going to start holding Doc accountable.

dude, plenty here have held him accountable for his crap offensive coaching for ages here.

Oddly enough, without one of JET or Lee (we likely wouldn't have signed/acquired both), after Rondo went down and before Green came into his own as a good but not great offensive tool, Ray Allen would've have an opportunity of divine providence to re-affirm him legacy as an elite shooter in a way that dwarfs any handful of game winners in another Miami run. He could've been in line for 19 points a night, and the clear second option on offense, and seconary ball-handler behind Pierce.

  Not without a time machine.

It wouldn't have been ideal, but it would've been probable. Who was Doc going to turn to?

It would've been one of:

Bradley
Ray/Lee
Pierce
Green

Bradley
Ray/JET
Pierce
Green

Doc wouldn't have started JET or Lee over Ray, especially with Rondo down. I guess its possible that it would've went Bradley/Pierce/Green, but that seems unlikely, especially with Sullinger out. 

[kgainez]

I kinda had to stop reading after here...

KG and PP have no issues because their role hasn't changed.

Is that really true? 

that they have no issues or that their role hasn't changed?

[indeedproceed]

It's happened with Nate Robinson. Jermaine O'Neal has had flashes of greatness over in Phoenix (he had a handful of double doubles).  Ray Allen ate Jason Terry OFF THE DRIBBLE in our 2nd to last game against the Heat. It's not like he was drilling 3s in his face. He took dude to the hole. Ryan Hollins has even had some stand out games. You all don't at least ever think about why that type of thing never really happened while these ppl were Celtics? Even when healthy?

So you're saying all the success players actually have had as Celtics is wholly separate from Doc's tutelage?

I know you're not actually saying that, but that's the flaw in your logic. You're dismissing the chemistry of the Big 3 from the get-go, you're dismissing Rondo's emergence as a star, Jeff Green's resurgence as a viable NBA starter, Sullinger's promising play as a rookie, Tony Allen's development into an elite defensive stopper..and that's just off the top of my head.

Every coach fails to properly utilize players from time to time, whether by mistakenly deploying them, or thinking that they'd be better off not suffering their weaknesses even if it means neglecting their strengths.