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Rondo's Age
« on: April 12, 2013, 04:52:47 PM »

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I've seen this brought up recently. he's 27 and some people dont like it because the new crop of elite point guards are all 22 and under and others are like 24. I dont think this is a concern because rondo is entering his prime. He is still faster than most of these guys, and way smarter. I read someone post that rondo can age well due do the style of his game that doesnt solely rely on athleticism.

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Re: Rondo's Age
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The only thing I am 100% sure will translate to his late 30s is his court vision. I don't think he'll still be all-star caliber when he gets older like KG and Pierce, though; I feel like he'd turn into a role player.

I could see him averaging 7 ppg, 10 apg, or something like that, around KG's age.


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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2013, 05:16:35 PM »

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Re: Rondo's Age
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 05:24:16 PM »

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He's a 4 time allstar, but he's limited in certain areas and not a "superstar" like LeBron, Durant... or Kobe, Duncan and KG in their prime.  He's coming off a major injury and will have a ton of competition in the coming years.  Does he continue to make the all-star game when D-Rose gets back?... In the East alone there is Holiday, Wall (22 on the rise), Rose, Irving, Deron Williams. 

Maybe.

I see him as a Chaucey Billups type (5 straight all-star appearances).  Good player... can be a key part of a title team if he's surrounded by other great players.  BUt you wouldn't have built a franchise around Chauncey Billups.  And building a team around Rondo doesn't make sense. 

After KG and Pierce leave... this team will no longer be a contender.  That's a fact.  It's not even a contender now with them... we're a 7th seed team and we might get thrashed in round 1.   To win a championship you need an elite big man and an elite scorer.  Generally every champion has a top 5 player.  Rondo is definitely not on that level.  He might not even be a top 5 point guard after this season. 

So how do you become a contender again?  Well, you can try desperately to land a top 5 player.  Chris Paul and Howard might qualify... they are both unrestricted free agents, but we don't have cap space and they aren't going anywhere.   LeBron is a free agent in 2014... good luck with that.

Who in the league right now is likely to reach that level?  Maybe Irving?  Maybe Anthony Davis.  I can't see Boston landing either.

I'm hearing a ton of people saying that Andrew Wiggins (currently in High school) is the greatest prospect since LeBron James... which is saying something, because Kevin Durant was as can't-miss as a prospect gets. 

So what i'm saying is... the bottom line is that the most likely scenario of us landing a top 5 player (and becoming a contender) is tanking next season and lucking into Andrew Wiggins.  The odds are severely limited.  But you have 0% chance of getting Durant.  You have 0% chance of getting LeBron.  You have 0% chance of getting Irving.  You have 0% chance of getting Anthony Davis.  If we had one of the 5 worst records in the league, we'd have a 10% chance of landing Wiggins.  It's tiny, but it's more than anything else. 

That's your best and only option for building a contender.  So say we managed to tank... say we managed to luck into Andrew Wiggins.  Say we managed to do all of this while holding onto Rajon Rondo.   Rondo would be 29 years old Wiggins rookie year.   

If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, the Celtics wouldn't be a playoff team again until his 3rd season... Rondo would be 31 years old.   If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, they wouldn't be a serious contender until his 5th year.. by then Wiggins would be 24 and Rondo would be 33 years old and on his way out.  I'd rather have other young players to surround Wiggins with.

You could also just wait for Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis to become free agents.  If they hit free agency at all, it will not be for another 5 or 6 years. 

TL;DR:  Rondo doesn't fit into a "rebuild".  Our best-case scenario is that we'll be a contender again in 2018 built around a top 5 superstar (Andrew Wiggins) ... by then Rondo would be 33 years old on past his prime.  Far more likely that we will not be a contender again until the 2020s...     

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I've seen this brought up recently. he's 27 and some people dont like it because the new crop of elite point guards are all 22 and under and others are like 24. I dont think this is a concern because rondo is entering his prime. He is still faster than most of these guys, and way smarter. I read someone post that rondo can age well due do the style of his game that doesnt solely rely on athleticism.


he's also pretty unwilling to consistently seek out contact when driving the lane. I'm not sure how good of a preventative measure that is at stopping dislocated elbows or torn ACL's, but it should add a year or two on to his career. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 05:37:23 PM »

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He's a 4 time allstar, but he's limited in certain areas and not a "superstar" like LeBron, Durant... or Kobe, Duncan and KG in their prime.  He's coming off a major injury and will have a ton of competition in the coming years.  Does he continue to make the all-star game when D-Rose gets back?... In the East alone there is Holiday, Wall (22 on the rise), Rose, Irving, Deron Williams. 

Maybe.

I see him as a Chaucey Billups type (5 straight all-star appearances).  Good player... can be a key part of a title team if he's surrounded by other great players.  BUt you wouldn't have built a franchise around Chauncey Billups.  And building a team around Rondo doesn't make sense. 

After KG and Pierce leave... this team will no longer be a contender.  That's a fact.  It's not even a contender now with them... we're a 7th seed team and we might get thrashed in round 1.   To win a championship you need an elite big man and an elite scorer.  Generally every champion has a top 5 player.  Rondo is definitely not on that level.  He might not even be a top 5 point guard after this season. 

So how do you become a contender again?  Well, you can try desperately to land a top 5 player.  Chris Paul and Howard might qualify... they are both unrestricted free agents, but we don't have cap space and they aren't going anywhere.   LeBron is a free agent in 2014... good luck with that.

Who in the league right now is likely to reach that level?  Maybe Irving?  Maybe Anthony Davis.  I can't see Boston landing either.

I'm hearing a ton of people saying that Andrew Wiggins (currently in High school) is the greatest prospect since LeBron James... which is saying something, because Kevin Durant was as can't-miss as a prospect gets. 

So what i'm saying is... the bottom line is that the most likely scenario of us landing a top 5 player (and becoming a contender) is tanking next season and lucking into Andrew Wiggins.  The odds are severely limited.  But you have 0% chance of getting Durant.  You have 0% chance of getting LeBron.  You have 0% chance of getting Irving.  You have 0% chance of getting Anthony Davis.  If we had one of the 5 worst records in the league, we'd have a 10% chance of landing Wiggins.  It's tiny, but it's more than anything else. 

That's your best and only option for building a contender.  So say we managed to tank... say we managed to luck into Andrew Wiggins.  Say we managed to do all of this while holding onto Rajon Rondo.   Rondo would be 29 years old Wiggins rookie year.   

If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, the Celtics wouldn't be a playoff team again until his 3rd season... Rondo would be 31 years old.   If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, they wouldn't be a serious contender until his 5th year.. by then Wiggins would be 24 and Rondo would be 33 years old and on his way out.  I'd rather have other young players to surround Wiggins with.

You could also just wait for Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis to become free agents.  If they hit free agency at all, it will not be for another 5 or 6 years. 

TL;DR:  Rondo doesn't fit into a "rebuild".  Our best-case scenario is that we'll be a contender again in 2018 built around a top 5 superstar (Andrew Wiggins) ... by then Rondo would be 33 years old on past his prime.  Far more likely that we will not be a contender again until the 2020s...   

  I'd agree that Rondo doesn't really fit into a rebuild, more of a reload. That doesn't separate him from other top players in his age range, it doesn't make sense to squander the best years of their careers by not trying to contend during those years. Rondo's shown the ability to play like one of the best players in the league during the postseason, good enough to lead his teams on multiple deep playoff runs.

  As you correctly pointed out, the odds on getting another player on that level are very long, while the odds of getting that level of play from Rondo are pretty high. Adding players to our current team and trying to contend as long as possible seems to be a much more palatable course of action than starting a rebuild where we won't be contenders again until the 2020s.

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »

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He's a 4 time allstar, but he's limited in certain areas and not a "superstar" like LeBron, Durant... or Kobe, Duncan and KG in their prime.  He's coming off a major injury and will have a ton of competition in the coming years.  Does he continue to make the all-star game when D-Rose gets back?... In the East alone there is Holiday, Wall (22 on the rise), Rose, Irving, Deron Williams. 

Maybe.

I see him as a Chaucey Billups type (5 straight all-star appearances).  Good player... can be a key part of a title team if he's surrounded by other great players.  BUt you wouldn't have built a franchise around Chauncey Billups.  And building a team around Rondo doesn't make sense. 

After KG and Pierce leave... this team will no longer be a contender.  That's a fact.  It's not even a contender now with them... we're a 7th seed team and we might get thrashed in round 1.   To win a championship you need an elite big man and an elite scorer.  Generally every champion has a top 5 player.  Rondo is definitely not on that level.  He might not even be a top 5 point guard after this season. 

So how do you become a contender again?  Well, you can try desperately to land a top 5 player.  Chris Paul and Howard might qualify... they are both unrestricted free agents, but we don't have cap space and they aren't going anywhere.   LeBron is a free agent in 2014... good luck with that.

Who in the league right now is likely to reach that level?  Maybe Irving?  Maybe Anthony Davis.  I can't see Boston landing either.

I'm hearing a ton of people saying that Andrew Wiggins (currently in High school) is the greatest prospect since LeBron James... which is saying something, because Kevin Durant was as can't-miss as a prospect gets. 

So what i'm saying is... the bottom line is that the most likely scenario of us landing a top 5 player (and becoming a contender) is tanking next season and lucking into Andrew Wiggins.  The odds are severely limited.  But you have 0% chance of getting Durant.  You have 0% chance of getting LeBron.  You have 0% chance of getting Irving.  You have 0% chance of getting Anthony Davis.  If we had one of the 5 worst records in the league, we'd have a 10% chance of landing Wiggins.  It's tiny, but it's more than anything else. 

That's your best and only option for building a contender.  So say we managed to tank... say we managed to luck into Andrew Wiggins.  Say we managed to do all of this while holding onto Rajon Rondo.   Rondo would be 29 years old Wiggins rookie year.   

If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, the Celtics wouldn't be a playoff team again until his 3rd season... Rondo would be 31 years old.   If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, they wouldn't be a serious contender until his 5th year.. by then Wiggins would be 24 and Rondo would be 33 years old and on his way out.  I'd rather have other young players to surround Wiggins with.

You could also just wait for Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis to become free agents.  If they hit free agency at all, it will not be for another 5 or 6 years. 

TL;DR:  Rondo doesn't fit into a "rebuild".  Our best-case scenario is that we'll be a contender again in 2018 built around a top 5 superstar (Andrew Wiggins) ... by then Rondo would be 33 years old on past his prime.  Far more likely that we will not be a contender again until the 2020s...   

  I'd agree that Rondo doesn't really fit into a rebuild, more of a reload. That doesn't separate him from other top players in his age range, it doesn't make sense to squander the best years of their careers by not trying to contend during those years. Rondo's shown the ability to play like one of the best players in the league during the postseason, good enough to lead his teams on multiple deep playoff runs.

  As you correctly pointed out, the odds on getting another player on that level are very long, while the odds of getting that level of play from Rondo are pretty high. Adding players to our current team and trying to contend as long as possible seems to be a much more palatable course of action than starting a rebuild where we won't be contenders again until the 2020s.
I don't really agree with this.

Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley + Wilcox gets you what... 25-38 wins a season? Once you remove KG and PIerce from the equation, you're looking at either a lotto team or an also-ran.   Is the master plan to use a bunch of assets and move Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith?... ok then maybe you make the playoffs with a late seed?  Still not a contender. 

So is that the plan then?... riding that .500 team for the next 7 years and THEN blowing it up for a rebuild?  Now you're pushing your hopes of being a contender from the 2020s to the 2030s.  I don't get it. 

It would basically be like suffering through another Walker/Pierce era.  Sure, we can ride Rondo's prime to total mediocrity... but I don't see the point.

I'd love to see some theoretical path where we were able to "rebuild on the fly" and put a contending team around Rondo.  Give me a scenario that makes sense.  If it's not possible, it makes the most sense to just dump Rondo for young players (23 and under) or draft picks so we can build for the next generation. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2013, 06:49:43 PM »

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I think these play better D than the AW/PP era.   You would want to add a draft lottery pick by tanking one year.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2013, 06:56:44 PM »

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He's a 4 time allstar, but he's limited in certain areas and not a "superstar" like LeBron, Durant... or Kobe, Duncan and KG in their prime.  He's coming off a major injury and will have a ton of competition in the coming years.  Does he continue to make the all-star game when D-Rose gets back?... In the East alone there is Holiday, Wall (22 on the rise), Rose, Irving, Deron Williams. 

Maybe.

I see him as a Chaucey Billups type (5 straight all-star appearances).  Good player... can be a key part of a title team if he's surrounded by other great players.  BUt you wouldn't have built a franchise around Chauncey Billups.  And building a team around Rondo doesn't make sense. 

After KG and Pierce leave... this team will no longer be a contender.  That's a fact.  It's not even a contender now with them... we're a 7th seed team and we might get thrashed in round 1.   To win a championship you need an elite big man and an elite scorer.  Generally every champion has a top 5 player.  Rondo is definitely not on that level.  He might not even be a top 5 point guard after this season. 

So how do you become a contender again?  Well, you can try desperately to land a top 5 player.  Chris Paul and Howard might qualify... they are both unrestricted free agents, but we don't have cap space and they aren't going anywhere.   LeBron is a free agent in 2014... good luck with that.

Who in the league right now is likely to reach that level?  Maybe Irving?  Maybe Anthony Davis.  I can't see Boston landing either.

I'm hearing a ton of people saying that Andrew Wiggins (currently in High school) is the greatest prospect since LeBron James... which is saying something, because Kevin Durant was as can't-miss as a prospect gets. 

So what i'm saying is... the bottom line is that the most likely scenario of us landing a top 5 player (and becoming a contender) is tanking next season and lucking into Andrew Wiggins.  The odds are severely limited.  But you have 0% chance of getting Durant.  You have 0% chance of getting LeBron.  You have 0% chance of getting Irving.  You have 0% chance of getting Anthony Davis.  If we had one of the 5 worst records in the league, we'd have a 10% chance of landing Wiggins.  It's tiny, but it's more than anything else. 

That's your best and only option for building a contender.  So say we managed to tank... say we managed to luck into Andrew Wiggins.  Say we managed to do all of this while holding onto Rajon Rondo.   Rondo would be 29 years old Wiggins rookie year.   

If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, the Celtics wouldn't be a playoff team again until his 3rd season... Rondo would be 31 years old.   If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, they wouldn't be a serious contender until his 5th year.. by then Wiggins would be 24 and Rondo would be 33 years old and on his way out.  I'd rather have other young players to surround Wiggins with.

You could also just wait for Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis to become free agents.  If they hit free agency at all, it will not be for another 5 or 6 years. 

TL;DR:  Rondo doesn't fit into a "rebuild".  Our best-case scenario is that we'll be a contender again in 2018 built around a top 5 superstar (Andrew Wiggins) ... by then Rondo would be 33 years old on past his prime.  Far more likely that we will not be a contender again until the 2020s...   

  I'd agree that Rondo doesn't really fit into a rebuild, more of a reload. That doesn't separate him from other top players in his age range, it doesn't make sense to squander the best years of their careers by not trying to contend during those years. Rondo's shown the ability to play like one of the best players in the league during the postseason, good enough to lead his teams on multiple deep playoff runs.

  As you correctly pointed out, the odds on getting another player on that level are very long, while the odds of getting that level of play from Rondo are pretty high. Adding players to our current team and trying to contend as long as possible seems to be a much more palatable course of action than starting a rebuild where we won't be contenders again until the 2020s.
I don't really agree with this.

Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley + Wilcox gets you what... 25-38 wins a season? Once you remove KG and PIerce from the equation, you're looking at either a lotto team or an also-ran.   Is the master plan to use a bunch of assets and move Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith?... ok then maybe you make the playoffs with a late seed?  Still not a contender. 

So is that the plan then?... riding that .500 team for the next 7 years and THEN blowing it up for a rebuild?  Now you're pushing your hopes of being a contender from the 2020s to the 2030s.  I don't get it. 

It would basically be like suffering through another Walker/Pierce era.  Sure, we can ride Rondo's prime to total mediocrity... but I don't see the point.

I'd love to see some theoretical path where we were able to "rebuild on the fly" and put a contending team around Rondo.  Give me a scenario that makes sense.  If it's not possible, it makes the most sense to just dump Rondo for young players (23 and under) or draft picks so we can build for the next generation.
I don't think you can assume that when KG and Pierce retire we won't bring anyone in good to replace them. I think if they plan on retiring they will wait to send in their papers so we can deal them to a team looking to create cap space, that or we straight out deal them when they decide they don't want to be part of the rebuilding process. Either way I see us getting something in exchange for them or carving out some cap space to help replace them.

Moving Rondo might not be a terrible move but only if you are getting good value for him. Attempting to trade him this offseason while he is still not recovered from a knee injury would not be fair value.

I am 100% against completely gutting the team and starting over. Keeping Pierce around to mentor players like Bradley, Rondo, Green and Sully has/will have a positive effect on the youngsters career. If we completely gut the team we lose the culture that the big 3 built
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Re: Rondo's Age
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2013, 07:09:47 PM »

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Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley + Wilcox gets you what... 25-38 wins a season? Once you remove KG and PIerce from the equation, you're looking at either a lotto team or an also-ran.   Is the master plan to use a bunch of assets and move Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith?... ok then maybe you make the playoffs with a late seed?  Still not a contender. 

So is that the plan then?... riding that .500 team for the next 7 years and THEN blowing it up for a rebuild?  Now you're pushing your hopes of being a contender from the 2020s to the 2030s.  I don't get it. 

It would basically be like suffering through another Walker/Pierce era.  Sure, we can ride Rondo's prime to total mediocrity... but I don't see the point.

I'd love to see some theoretical path where we were able to "rebuild on the fly" and put a contending team around Rondo.  Give me a scenario that makes sense.  If it's not possible, it makes the most sense to just dump Rondo for young players (23 and under) or draft picks so we can build for the next generation.

I'd think we should try to trade the contracts of Green, Bass and Terry.  If we can't get a solid big man for some combination of Green and either of Sully or Bradley, then we should just trade them for whatever expiring contracts we can.  Scrub players would be fine.  Clear cap room for 2014 (when KG/Pierce will officially be off the payroll).

Use Rondo and the allure of $30m+ in cap money.  It's basically a one shot deal, but you gotta try for a home run to hit one.  If we strike out, proceed to move Rondo for a young player/picks.

There will be some decent fa' in 2014 and 2015.  It's entirely possible some one might want to play with Rondo.  He has a massive amount of respect among players in the league.

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2013, 07:32:56 PM »

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I believe he will become a Jason Kidd. I think Rondo has shown he has somewhat of a jumpshot now, which has looked better and better every season. With him not being able to do much right now, hes putting in extra work and I know hes working on his jumpshot and freethrows right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Q48MJa4No

He'll be a great vet, just like Jason Kidd when he is older.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2013, 08:34:33 PM »

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He's a 4 time allstar, but he's limited in certain areas and not a "superstar" like LeBron, Durant... or Kobe, Duncan and KG in their prime.  He's coming off a major injury and will have a ton of competition in the coming years.  Does he continue to make the all-star game when D-Rose gets back?... In the East alone there is Holiday, Wall (22 on the rise), Rose, Irving, Deron Williams. 

Maybe.

I see him as a Chaucey Billups type (5 straight all-star appearances).  Good player... can be a key part of a title team if he's surrounded by other great players.  BUt you wouldn't have built a franchise around Chauncey Billups.  And building a team around Rondo doesn't make sense. 

After KG and Pierce leave... this team will no longer be a contender.  That's a fact.  It's not even a contender now with them... we're a 7th seed team and we might get thrashed in round 1.   To win a championship you need an elite big man and an elite scorer.  Generally every champion has a top 5 player.  Rondo is definitely not on that level.  He might not even be a top 5 point guard after this season. 

So how do you become a contender again?  Well, you can try desperately to land a top 5 player.  Chris Paul and Howard might qualify... they are both unrestricted free agents, but we don't have cap space and they aren't going anywhere.   LeBron is a free agent in 2014... good luck with that.

Who in the league right now is likely to reach that level?  Maybe Irving?  Maybe Anthony Davis.  I can't see Boston landing either.

I'm hearing a ton of people saying that Andrew Wiggins (currently in High school) is the greatest prospect since LeBron James... which is saying something, because Kevin Durant was as can't-miss as a prospect gets. 

So what i'm saying is... the bottom line is that the most likely scenario of us landing a top 5 player (and becoming a contender) is tanking next season and lucking into Andrew Wiggins.  The odds are severely limited.  But you have 0% chance of getting Durant.  You have 0% chance of getting LeBron.  You have 0% chance of getting Irving.  You have 0% chance of getting Anthony Davis.  If we had one of the 5 worst records in the league, we'd have a 10% chance of landing Wiggins.  It's tiny, but it's more than anything else. 

That's your best and only option for building a contender.  So say we managed to tank... say we managed to luck into Andrew Wiggins.  Say we managed to do all of this while holding onto Rajon Rondo.   Rondo would be 29 years old Wiggins rookie year.   

If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, the Celtics wouldn't be a playoff team again until his 3rd season... Rondo would be 31 years old.   If Wiggins follows the same developmental path as Durant, they wouldn't be a serious contender until his 5th year.. by then Wiggins would be 24 and Rondo would be 33 years old and on his way out.  I'd rather have other young players to surround Wiggins with.

You could also just wait for Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis to become free agents.  If they hit free agency at all, it will not be for another 5 or 6 years. 

TL;DR:  Rondo doesn't fit into a "rebuild".  Our best-case scenario is that we'll be a contender again in 2018 built around a top 5 superstar (Andrew Wiggins) ... by then Rondo would be 33 years old on past his prime.  Far more likely that we will not be a contender again until the 2020s...   

  I'd agree that Rondo doesn't really fit into a rebuild, more of a reload. That doesn't separate him from other top players in his age range, it doesn't make sense to squander the best years of their careers by not trying to contend during those years. Rondo's shown the ability to play like one of the best players in the league during the postseason, good enough to lead his teams on multiple deep playoff runs.

  As you correctly pointed out, the odds on getting another player on that level are very long, while the odds of getting that level of play from Rondo are pretty high. Adding players to our current team and trying to contend as long as possible seems to be a much more palatable course of action than starting a rebuild where we won't be contenders again until the 2020s.
I don't really agree with this.

Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley + Wilcox gets you what... 25-38 wins a season? Once you remove KG and PIerce from the equation, you're looking at either a lotto team or an also-ran.

  I wouldn't agree with it either from your point of view, but I don't think "let KG and PP walk and don't replace them" is something I'd qualify as reloading. Add a good defensive big that can rebound and upgrade your sg and you've got a fringe contender. Rondo and Green are just entering their primes, they have a number of years to add to the core. Again, it's worth a shot, appealing though "get rid of everyone and hope we eventually have a superstar land in our lap" is.

Re: Rondo's Age
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2013, 10:08:48 PM »

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Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley

Add a good SG and another big that are decent and you have a team that makes the playoffs a lot I would wager.  2 drafts and this team would be ok  I think.

But it needs a large good shooting two guard that can hit the three and a big who can protect the rim.   I think Green can score,  Rondo can pass and Sully is a saavy big.  We know Bradley can D up guys.   It is a way better core than the post Larry Era.
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Re: Rondo's Age
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2013, 10:49:31 PM »

Offline lightspeed5

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I agree that we have a good young core formed with good attitudes. Sullinger is incredibly underrated and he continued to grow as the season went on.


Re: Rondo's Age
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2013, 11:16:48 PM »

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Rondo + Jeff Green + Sully + Bradley + Wilcox gets you what... 25-38 wins a season? Once you remove KG and PIerce from the equation, you're looking at either a lotto team or an also-ran.   Is the master plan to use a bunch of assets and move Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith?... ok then maybe you make the playoffs with a late seed?  Still not a contender. 

So is that the plan then?... riding that .500 team for the next 7 years and THEN blowing it up for a rebuild?  Now you're pushing your hopes of being a contender from the 2020s to the 2030s.  I don't get it. 

It would basically be like suffering through another Walker/Pierce era.  Sure, we can ride Rondo's prime to total mediocrity... but I don't see the point.

I'd love to see some theoretical path where we were able to "rebuild on the fly" and put a contending team around Rondo.  Give me a scenario that makes sense.  If it's not possible, it makes the most sense to just dump Rondo for young players (23 and under) or draft picks so we can build for the next generation.

I'd think we should try to trade the contracts of Green, Bass and Terry.  If we can't get a solid big man for some combination of Green and either of Sully or Bradley, then we should just trade them for whatever expiring contracts we can.  Scrub players would be fine.  Clear cap room for 2014 (when KG/Pierce will officially be off the payroll).

Use Rondo and the allure of $30m+ in cap money.  It's basically a one shot deal, but you gotta try for a home run to hit one.  If we strike out, proceed to move Rondo for a young player/picks.

There will be some decent fa' in 2014 and 2015.  It's entirely possible some one might want to play with Rondo.  He has a massive amount of respect among players in the league.
It will be kind of difficult to move those contracts, right?

But if we could move those guys for expiring contracts we could tank the 2014 season properly, let Rondo take his time coming back... and then not only try our best to land Andrew Wiggins, but have cap space to make a run at 2014 free agents.   Seems like a good plan.