Players with skill sets similar to that of Jeff Green

[wdleehi]

Derrick McKey


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckeyde01.html

[CelticConcourse]

Basketball Reference says he's pretty close to Kyle Korver (not really, imo)...

[Atzar]

Jeff Green doesn't play like Durant.  Durant is a shooter who sets up the drive with the threat of the jumpshot.  Jeff Green is a slasher who sets up the jumpshot with the threat that he might drive.  Different approaches to scoring.  You can also shut Jeff Green down by forcing him away from the right-handed drive, whereas with Durant you're screwed unless he's just having an off night.

As an aside:  I hope Durant gets to play without Westbrook at some point.  I'd love to see what he can do when he doesn't have to share with a chucker of a PG.

The minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder win a championship

More like the minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder can't get out of WCF.

Last year, defenses had to worry about Harden, Durant AND Westbrook.
This year it is Westbrook AND Durant, still two stars on the same team like other superteams. If Westbrook leaves, Durant will be all alone and will get steamrolled by teams that have multiple stars.

The idea is to move him for another star who fits better with Durant.  I'm not exactly talking about selling him for a bag of corn chips here.

[Josh88]

Derrick McKey


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckeyde01.html

Interesting, actually pretty close to Jeff Green so far

[wdleehi]

Derrick McKey


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckeyde01.html

Interesting, actually pretty close to Jeff Green so far

Throw in that he was a defensive SF that could play PF and was thought to be a more talented offensive player that held back his scoring to be a team player...

[badshar]

Jeff Green doesn't play like Durant.  Durant is a shooter who sets up the drive with the threat of the jumpshot.  Jeff Green is a slasher who sets up the jumpshot with the threat that he might drive.  Different approaches to scoring.  You can also shut Jeff Green down by forcing him away from the right-handed drive, whereas with Durant you're screwed unless he's just having an off night.

As an aside:  I hope Durant gets to play without Westbrook at some point.  I'd love to see what he can do when he doesn't have to share with a chucker of a PG.

The minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder win a championship

More like the minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder can't get out of WCF.

Last year, defenses had to worry about Harden, Durant AND Westbrook.
This year it is Westbrook AND Durant, still two stars on the same team like other superteams. If Westbrook leaves, Durant will be all alone and will get steamrolled by teams that have multiple stars.

The idea is to move him for another star who fits better with Durant.  I'm not exactly talking about selling him for a bag of corn chips here.

If James Harden can be traded for a bag of chips, then Westbrook can too.

[LB3533]

Before Gay's shoulder injury I would have agreed with you.  But ever since his injury and Memphis's shift to inside-out basketball, Gay just hasn't been the same.  He's an excellent post player and solid off of one or two bounces, but aside from that he's a bad jumpshooter who takes way too many jumpshots.  Three quarters of his shots are jumpers, and his eFG is 39%.  That doesn't help a team win. 

As far as defense goes, there aren't many reliable ways to quantify that but I see them as similar in the sense that they're both capable of playing very good defense when they're dialed in, but both struggle with consistency.  I think Green makes the effort more often.  Gay gets more steals, but Green has the added dimension of being a capable weakside shotblocker.

On the topc of Gay, I completely agree. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, and it would only reinforce my perception that the Raptors are one of the worst managed teams in the league if they do decide to sign him to an extensions as has been rumored.

There's a reason Hollinger had Gay moved as soon as the Grizzlies hired him, and they've barely skipped a beat despite moving their leading scroer. The Raptors on the other hand are as bad as ever.

On topic, Paul George is a far superior player to Jeff Green, and 4 years younger. They are not about equal.

Paul George is a #1 option on the Pacers.

With KG out, Jeff Green is a #2 option on the Celtics.

Statistically, the two are about as even as you can get with neither player dominating one another in any category.

George grabs more rebounds and gets more assists, but he also has more plays run for him and has the ball in his hand a lot more than Green has had over the course of the entire season.

When Jeff Green was 22, his per 36 were pretty much an exact replica of George, the caveat was Jeff Green produced those statistics as a 3rd option within the flow of the offense.

Has Jeff's production improved since his 2nd year, not by a big margin, not by much if any. So Jeff has shown he is a consistent producer as a strong role player.

Move Jeff to the Celtics and his role is even more reduced to that of a role player and people want this guy to produce better than stats?

That is illogical.

The only way for Jeff to produce monster numbers is to cut him loose like Houston has done with James Harden.

In a small sample size as Jeff Green is our starting PF, Jeff has shown he can produce big numbers on efficient offensive prowess....now the efficiency will not last over the course of an 82 season, but the production will still be up there.

[Edgar]

Before Gay's shoulder injury I would have agreed with you.  But ever since his injury and Memphis's shift to inside-out basketball, Gay just hasn't been the same.  He's an excellent post player and solid off of one or two bounces, but aside from that he's a bad jumpshooter who takes way too many jumpshots.  Three quarters of his shots are jumpers, and his eFG is 39%.  That doesn't help a team win. 

As far as defense goes, there aren't many reliable ways to quantify that but I see them as similar in the sense that they're both capable of playing very good defense when they're dialed in, but both struggle with consistency.  I think Green makes the effort more often.  Gay gets more steals, but Green has the added dimension of being a capable weakside shotblocker.

On the topc of Gay, I completely agree. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, and it would only reinforce my perception that the Raptors are one of the worst managed teams in the league if they do decide to sign him to an extensions as has been rumored.

There's a reason Hollinger had Gay moved as soon as the Grizzlies hired him, and they've barely skipped a beat despite moving their leading scroer. The Raptors on the other hand are as bad as ever.

On topic, Paul George is a far superior player to Jeff Green, and 4 years younger. They are not about equal.

Paul George is a #1 option on the Pacers.

With KG out, Jeff Green is a #2 option on the Celtics.

Statistically, the two are about as even as you can get with neither player dominating one another in any category.

George grabs more rebounds and gets more assists, but he also has more plays run for him and has the ball in his hand a lot more than Green has had over the course of the entire season.

When Jeff Green was 22, his per 36 were pretty much an exact replica of George, the caveat was Jeff Green produced those statistics as a 3rd option within the flow of the offense.

Has Jeff's production improved since his 2nd year, not by a big margin, not by much if any. So Jeff has shown he is a consistent producer as a strong role player.

Move Jeff to the Celtics and his role is even more reduced to that of a role player and people want this guy to produce better than stats?

That is illogical.

The only way for Jeff to produce monster numbers is to cut him loose like Houston has done with James Harden.

In a small sample size as Jeff Green is our starting PF, Jeff has shown he can produce big numbers on efficient offensive prowess....now the efficiency will not last over the course of an 82 season, but the production will still be up there.

not to mention George was pretty ups and downs till this sason

[Atzar]

Jeff Green doesn't play like Durant.  Durant is a shooter who sets up the drive with the threat of the jumpshot.  Jeff Green is a slasher who sets up the jumpshot with the threat that he might drive.  Different approaches to scoring.  You can also shut Jeff Green down by forcing him away from the right-handed drive, whereas with Durant you're screwed unless he's just having an off night.

As an aside:  I hope Durant gets to play without Westbrook at some point.  I'd love to see what he can do when he doesn't have to share with a chucker of a PG.

The minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder win a championship

More like the minute Westbrook gets traded is the minute Thunder can't get out of WCF.

Last year, defenses had to worry about Harden, Durant AND Westbrook.
This year it is Westbrook AND Durant, still two stars on the same team like other superteams. If Westbrook leaves, Durant will be all alone and will get steamrolled by teams that have multiple stars.

The idea is to move him for another star who fits better with Durant.  I'm not exactly talking about selling him for a bag of corn chips here.

If James Harden can be traded for a bag of chips, then Westbrook can too.

They got Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two firsts and a second.  The Rockets won the trade, but it's not like the Thunder didn't get any assets in return.

Westbrook will have considerably more value than Harden did at the time.  Also, the Thunder would have a lot more leverage in a Westbrooktrade than they did with Harden.

[Atzar]

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[Atzar]

Double post, please delete.

[Josh88]

Before Gay's shoulder injury I would have agreed with you.  But ever since his injury and Memphis's shift to inside-out basketball, Gay just hasn't been the same.  He's an excellent post player and solid off of one or two bounces, but aside from that he's a bad jumpshooter who takes way too many jumpshots.  Three quarters of his shots are jumpers, and his eFG is 39%.  That doesn't help a team win. 

As far as defense goes, there aren't many reliable ways to quantify that but I see them as similar in the sense that they're both capable of playing very good defense when they're dialed in, but both struggle with consistency.  I think Green makes the effort more often.  Gay gets more steals, but Green has the added dimension of being a capable weakside shotblocker.

On the topc of Gay, I completely agree. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, and it would only reinforce my perception that the Raptors are one of the worst managed teams in the league if they do decide to sign him to an extensions as has been rumored.

There's a reason Hollinger had Gay moved as soon as the Grizzlies hired him, and they've barely skipped a beat despite moving their leading scroer. The Raptors on the other hand are as bad as ever.

On topic, Paul George is a far superior player to Jeff Green, and 4 years younger. They are not about equal.

Paul George is a #1 option on the Pacers.

With KG out, Jeff Green is a #2 option on the Celtics.

Statistically, the two are about as even as you can get with neither player dominating one another in any category.

George grabs more rebounds and gets more assists, but he also has more plays run for him and has the ball in his hand a lot more than Green has had over the course of the entire season.

When Jeff Green was 22, his per 36 were pretty much an exact replica of George, the caveat was Jeff Green produced those statistics as a 3rd option within the flow of the offense.

Has Jeff's production improved since his 2nd year, not by a big margin, not by much if any. So Jeff has shown he is a consistent producer as a strong role player.

Move Jeff to the Celtics and his role is even more reduced to that of a role player and people want this guy to produce better than stats?

That is illogical.

The only way for Jeff to produce monster numbers is to cut him loose like Houston has done with James Harden.

In a small sample size as Jeff Green is our starting PF, Jeff has shown he can produce big numbers on efficient offensive prowess....now the efficiency will not last over the course of an 82 season, but the production will still be up there.

Paul George has improved considerably every year, Green's best statistical season was his second. Granted hes played behind Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Pierce etc. for his career so it's difficult to judge what he'd be capable of as the number one option; but aside from the recent stretch we haven't seen anything to suggest he's capable of handling that role on a consistent basis. The Pacers aren't exactly a scrub team, and George has still emerged as the number one option ahead of Granger.

Jeff's biggest problem seems to be lacking the confidence to produce every night unlike George. George is already far more consistent than Jeff has ever been, and is years away from his prime whereas Jeff should be entering his. He's also easily a better defender.

I think a lot of people are thinking too highly of Green based on his recent play, even though he's been known to to be inconsistent yet occasionally great throughout his career so far. When he proves he can be the number one option every night like George is then it will be a different story.

[Galeto]

Green's skillset has evolved over the five past games to include passing.  He's averaged 4.6 assists a game over his last five.  That's pretty promising.  I can't say any of his assists have been particularly memorable besides a nice pass to a cutting Wilcox.  He hasn't gotten assists from penetrating and dumping off, pick and roll pocket passes and so on, bonafide playmaker's assists but at least he's passing more and not being a black hole.  He's done well to find shooters in the corners.  He's improved so much this season, going from a poor overall defender to a good overall one, an inefficient scorer to an efficient one and if he can raise his assist percentage into double digits, that'd be another feather in his cap.  All he needs to do to become a jack of all trades is rebound at an average rate.

[Galeto]

Before Gay's shoulder injury I would have agreed with you.  But ever since his injury and Memphis's shift to inside-out basketball, Gay just hasn't been the same.  He's an excellent post player and solid off of one or two bounces, but aside from that he's a bad jumpshooter who takes way too many jumpshots.  Three quarters of his shots are jumpers, and his eFG is 39%.  That doesn't help a team win. 

As far as defense goes, there aren't many reliable ways to quantify that but I see them as similar in the sense that they're both capable of playing very good defense when they're dialed in, but both struggle with consistency.  I think Green makes the effort more often.  Gay gets more steals, but Green has the added dimension of being a capable weakside shotblocker.

On the topc of Gay, I completely agree. He's one of the most overrated players in the league, and it would only reinforce my perception that the Raptors are one of the worst managed teams in the league if they do decide to sign him to an extensions as has been rumored.

There's a reason Hollinger had Gay moved as soon as the Grizzlies hired him, and they've barely skipped a beat despite moving their leading scroer. The Raptors on the other hand are as bad as ever.

On topic, Paul George is a far superior player to Jeff Green, and 4 years younger. They are not about equal.

Paul George is a #1 option on the Pacers.

With KG out, Jeff Green is a #2 option on the Celtics.

Statistically, the two are about as even as you can get with neither player dominating one another in any category.

George grabs more rebounds and gets more assists, but he also has more plays run for him and has the ball in his hand a lot more than Green has had over the course of the entire season.

When Jeff Green was 22, his per 36 were pretty much an exact replica of George, the caveat was Jeff Green produced those statistics as a 3rd option within the flow of the offense.

Has Jeff's production improved since his 2nd year, not by a big margin, not by much if any. So Jeff has shown he is a consistent producer as a strong role player.

Move Jeff to the Celtics and his role is even more reduced to that of a role player and people want this guy to produce better than stats?

That is illogical.

The only way for Jeff to produce monster numbers is to cut him loose like Houston has done with James Harden.

In a small sample size as Jeff Green is our starting PF, Jeff has shown he can produce big numbers on efficient offensive prowess....now the efficiency will not last over the course of an 82 season, but the production will still be up there.

Paul George has improved considerably every year, Green's best statistical season was his second. Granted hes played behind Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Pierce etc. for his career so it's difficult to judge what he'd be capable of as the number one option; but aside from the recent stretch we haven't seen anything to suggest he's capable of handling that role on a consistent basis. The Pacers aren't exactly a scrub team, and George has still emerged as the number one option ahead of Granger.

Jeff's biggest problem seems to be lacking the confidence to produce every night unlike George. George is already far more consistent than Jeff has ever been, and is years away from his prime whereas Jeff should be entering his. He's also easily a better defender.

I think a lot of people are thinking too highly of Green based on his recent play, even though he's been known to to be inconsistent yet occasionally great throughout his career so far. When he proves he can be the number one option every night like George is then it will be a different story.

George has not been the clearcut no.1 option for Indiana.  He's only averaging 0.7 more points per game than West.  Indiana's winning far more because of their defense and rebounding than they are because George is their no.1 offensive option.  Indiana's success has been a total team effort.  Hibbert's protected the basket extremely well.  They get balanced scoring from their starting lineup and several bench guys have stepped up, particularly rookie Orlando Johnson.  They all bust their butts playing a physical brand of defense.  George has been really good as a two-way player and I would certainly take him over Green but he's not in a different stratosphere as Green.

[Tr1boy]

Derrick McKey sounds about right. Nbadraft has him compared to Lamar Odom, which is an ok comparison.

Paul George and Green are different imo. George may get you decent rebounds on the defensive end, but he is primarily a perimeter player on offense. Unlike Jeff i don't see him post up nor take it strong to the basket frequently