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Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #135 on: March 13, 2013, 10:25:10 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.
Anyone who played football at even the most modest high school level knows that's an extremely catchable ball. Junior high kids all over the country make that catch every weekend and if they can't/don't, pretty much routinely, then they probably aren't a starter.   That's like the kicker equivalent of maybe a 25 yarder. Maybe 30.

In the mean time would anyone be even slightly surprised if Julian Edelmen or Amendola goes for 100 catches next year? And played defensive back?

Most hs players are not catching that ball.  Sorry but that is just seriously crazy.  Welker had to leap up and twist his body at the same time, hands fully extended while falling down.  That is absolutely NOT an every day catch for an average HS starting wide receiver. 

Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #136 on: March 13, 2013, 10:26:52 PM »

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That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uul0EP2qc8E

or catching it in stride looking back with little separation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rq75F9AnwI


Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #137 on: March 13, 2013, 10:27:27 PM »

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Most hs players are not catching that ball.  Sorry but that is just seriously crazy.  Welker had to leap up and twist his body at the same time, hands fully extended while falling down.  That is absolutely NOT an every day catch for an average HS NFL starting wide receiver.


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Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #138 on: March 13, 2013, 10:27:55 PM »

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Wow, you pats fans are rough.  So one of the best receivers in the nfl, potential hall of famer (imho) makes 1 drop and you aren't willing to give him a pass?  Wow.  That pass wasn't terrible, but it wasn't on the money.  Wes has made tons of game winning catches (I know, I am a dolphins fan) over the past 5 years.  So he isn't allowed just one drop?
That is a pretty extreme attitude from a fan.  Maybe the Pats D should have been able to get a stop somewhere along the line.  I hate it when people feel like that one guy (esp in football) lost a game for the team.

I think Wes Welker's stats speak for themselves:
2007 112 catches
2008 111 catches
2009 123 catches
2010  86 catches
2011 122 catches
2012 118 catches

So in all those years, I think Wes probably made up for the one bad pass / bad catch combo against the giants.  Hey if you don't like Wes whatever, but to base his whole value to the Pats on one questionable drop is just over simplifying everything.

I'm tough on everyone that chokes on the big stage. And that ONE DROP came in the freaking SUPERBOWL on the most important play of the whole game! If he catches that we win. Hes allowed some drops, but not on the biggest play of his life and the patriots season.

Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #139 on: March 13, 2013, 10:29:10 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uul0EP2qc8E

or catching it in stride looking back with little separation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rq75F9AnwI

So Welker made catches on two very good throws from Brady.  What's your point?  If Brady threw those passes to Welker in the Super Bowl, he'd have four rings right now.


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Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #140 on: March 13, 2013, 10:29:27 PM »

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amendola has had two freak injuries. dislocating his elbow and breaking his collarbone...i'm not sure if thats something you could call a recurring pattern though

i'm going to miss welker, but I think its become apparent the past few years that theres something wrong with our "welker-centric" offense in the playoffs at least

say what you want about the defnese, but for a team who hangs their hat on their "elite" offense. their offense has struggled to score points in their last 3 playoff losses.

its become too predictable. Brady forces it to welker.

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« Reply #141 on: March 13, 2013, 10:33:33 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.
Anyone who played football at even the most modest high school level knows that's an extremely catchable ball. Junior high kids all over the country make that catch every weekend and if they can't/don't, pretty much routinely, then they probably aren't a starter.   That's like the kicker equivalent of maybe a 25 yarder. Maybe 30.

That's complete nonsense.

I'll put my football credentials up against yours, though.
Sooooo you're saying you never made a catch like that or saw one done? You've never seen teenagers in games make more impressive and difficult catches than that? You weren't taught and then applied the absolute basics of adjusting to a pass? Do you find one handed catches to be miraculous? Diving catches? This is a simple adjustment type catch.  I'm wide open! Ooops. The ball is a little of my shoulder, turn, catch, possibly keep running.   That's all.  It's not a free throw, but it's not even a three pointer.

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« Reply #142 on: March 13, 2013, 10:35:47 PM »

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amendola has had two freak injuries. dislocating his elbow and breaking his collarbone...i'm not sure if thats something you could call a recurring pattern though

i'm going to miss welker, but I think its become apparent the past few years that theres something wrong with our "welker-centric" offense in the playoffs at least

say what you want about the defnese, but for a team who hangs their hat on their "elite" offense. their offense has struggled to score points in their last 3 playoff losses.

its become too predictable. Brady forces it to welker.

I agree completely.

Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #143 on: March 13, 2013, 10:35:52 PM »

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Wow, you pats fans are rough.  So one of the best receivers in the nfl, potential hall of famer (imho) makes 1 drop and you aren't willing to give him a pass?  Wow.  That pass wasn't terrible, but it wasn't on the money.  Wes has made tons of game winning catches (I know, I am a dolphins fan) over the past 5 years.  So he isn't allowed just one drop?
That is a pretty extreme attitude from a fan.  Maybe the Pats D should have been able to get a stop somewhere along the line.  I hate it when people feel like that one guy (esp in football) lost a game for the team.

I think Wes Welker's stats speak for themselves:
2007 112 catches
2008 111 catches
2009 123 catches
2010  86 catches
2011 122 catches
2012 118 catches

So in all those years, I think Wes probably made up for the one bad pass / bad catch combo against the giants.  Hey if you don't like Wes whatever, but to base his whole value to the Pats on one questionable drop is just over simplifying everything.

I'm tough on everyone that chokes on the big stage. And that ONE DROP came in the freaking SUPERBOWL on the most important play of the whole game! If he catches that we win. Hes allowed some drops, but not on the biggest play of his life and the patriots season.


Sorry, newsflash, Wes didn't LOSE the superbowl for you guys.  The whole TEAM lost the game.  Not being able to stop the Giants on a 88 yard drive with 3 min left was a pretty big part of why they lost. 

Wes was one of the main reasons you even got that far.  I am not even a pats fan and I realize that. 

Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #144 on: March 13, 2013, 10:37:06 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably


or catching it in stride looking back with little separation


So Welker made catches on two very good throws from Brady.  What's your point?  If Brady threw those passes to Welker in the Super Bowl, he'd have four rings right now.
My point was that that catch was well well wellll within the capability of Welker to catch and that he had been in far trickier situations before.  He got both hands well on it.  There was nothing near him.  He had an extremely clear line of sight on the ball.  What else does he need? The ball to hit him in the numbers? No defensive backs on his side of the field?  It's clear in the video the ball is falling into his hands on the way down so the velocity at this point isn't that high. It's not overthrown.  It's coming down right to him where it will hit both his hands with nothing around him.

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« Reply #145 on: March 13, 2013, 10:38:03 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.






Wow, you pats fans are rough.  So one of the best receivers in the nfl, potential hall of famer (imho) makes 1 drop and you aren't willing to give him a pass?  Wow.  That pass wasn't terrible, but it wasn't on the money.  Wes has made tons of game winning catches (I know, I am a dolphins fan) over the past 5 years.  So he isn't allowed just one drop?
That is a pretty extreme attitude from a fan.  Maybe the Pats D should have been able to get a stop somewhere along the line.  I hate it when people feel like that one guy (esp in football) lost a game for the team.

I think Wes Welker's stats speak for themselves:
2007 112 catches
2008 111 catches
2009 123 catches
2010  86 catches
2011 122 catches
2012 118 catches

So in all those years, I think Wes probably made up for the one bad pass / bad catch combo against the giants.  Hey if you don't like Wes whatever, but to base his whole value to the Pats on one questionable drop is just over simplifying everything.

I'm tough on everyone that chokes on the big stage. And that ONE DROP came in the freaking SUPERBOWL on the most important play of the whole game! If he catches that we win. Hes allowed some drops, but not on the biggest play of his life and the patriots season.


Sorry, newsflash, Wes didn't LOSE the superbowl for you guys.  The whole TEAM lost the game.  Not being able to stop the Giants on a 88 yard drive with 3 min left was a pretty big part of why they lost. 

Wes was one of the main reasons you even got that far.  I am not even a pats fan and I realize that.

Its easy to be more forgiving when you're not even a fan of the team. I can't believe I'm even debating this with a dolphins fan, what the hell?

Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #146 on: March 13, 2013, 10:38:51 PM »

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably


or catching it in stride looking back with little separation


So Welker made catches on two very good throws from Brady.  What's your point?  If Brady threw those passes to Welker in the Super Bowl, he'd have four rings right now.
My point was that that catch was well well wellll within the capability of Welker to catch and that he had been in far trickier situations before.  He got both hands well on it.  There was nothing near him.  He had an extremely clear line of sight on the ball.  What else does he need? The ball to hit him in the numbers? No defensive backs on his side of the field?

Throw the ball where it's intended to go, rather than behind the receiver.  It's a fairly simple concept.  Welker did his job by getting open.  It's then on Brady to put the ball in a place where Welker doesn't have to make an acrobatic catch.


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Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2013, 10:40:00 PM »

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Its easy to be more forgiving when you're not even a fan of the team. I can't believe I'm even debating this with a dolphins fan, what the hell?

If anybody should look at Welker with a jaundiced eye, it's Dolphins fans.  He left their team, only to beat up on them twice per season for half a decade.


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Re: Wes Welker signs with Denver Broncos / Amendola to Pats (Merged)
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2013, 10:41:51 PM »

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That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably


or catching it in stride looking back with little separation


So Welker made catches on two very good throws from Brady.  What's your point?  If Brady threw those passes to Welker in the Super Bowl, he'd have four rings right now.
My point was that that catch was well well wellll within the capability of Welker to catch and that he had been in far trickier situations before.  He got both hands well on it.  There was nothing near him.  He had an extremely clear line of sight on the ball.  What else does he need? The ball to hit him in the numbers? No defensive backs on his side of the field?

Throw the ball where it's intended to go, rather than behind the receiver.  It's a fairly simple concept.  Welker did his job by getting open.  It's then on Brady to put the ball in a place where Welker doesn't have to make an acrobatic catch.
Look at Welker's body language after he drops it. He knows.

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I sure will miss wes welker. He came through big when we needed him most.





That's a heck of a throw right there.  Any time a receiver needs to make a leaping, off-balance, over-the-wrong shoulder type of catch, you know the QB did his job.

Yeah, whenever a ball hits you square in your hands and you make catches like that all that time in far less important moments and in your own words "I make that catch 99 times out of 100" *Unless its the superbowl of course* I'm sure that was a very difficult catch to make.

It wasn't the greatest throw in the world but brady still hit him right in his hands. That was 80 percent welker 20 percent brady as far as who's fault it is. He made that same exact catch last year in the regular season. I mean it was so exact it looked like a replay.

No, Brady didn't "hit him in the hands".  Welker had to make a contorted, off-balance jump for the ball to get his hands on it. 

Just because Welker makes amazing grabs other times doesn't mean he should be expected to do it every time.  That was a lousy, lousy throw.  If Brady throws the ball where he's supposed to, it's game.  Instead, he was off target by a full yard or so, turning an easy completion into a very difficult grab.

That mess up is 100% on Brady.  Welker did his job by getting open.  A good -- or even decent -- throw and the Pats win.  I understand that Tom Terrific is generally considered infallible, but that one is on him.

Roy, no matter how you attempt to phrase it the ball was in welkers hands and he dropped it, PERIOD. Everybody, EVERYBODY including welker himself knows that ball has to be caught and it should have been caught.

The fact you honestly just said that was 100 percent on brady is nothing short of laughable. You are definitely in the minority with that for obvious reasons.

If I'm in the minority, it's because:

1. I don't worship at the altar of Tom Brady, like many fans and pundits seem to; and

2. I don't expect professional athletes to complete miracle plays with any consistency.

A lesser receiver wouldn't have even been able to get his hands on that ball.  It was a lousy throw.  There was plenty of room to hit Welker in stride, and Brady simply missed it.

If I wanted to be a pain, I'd say it was a miracle Welker *didn't* catch it. :)
Simply put, it wasn't that tough of a catch to make. It also wasn't the best throw. Blame all around.

What's your basis for saying "it wasn't that tough a catch to make"?

How often do you see a guy falling backward, contorting behind himself, catching a ball?

I'd say, not very often.  Much more frequently, you hear the announcers say "he threw that one behind him".  But, because Welker is good enough to get his hands on the ball, it's suddenly his fault?

You make it sound like a routine catch.  There probably aren't five guys in the league who make a better play on that ball than Welker did.
Because it wasn't that tough a catch to make probably


or catching it in stride looking back with little separation


So Welker made catches on two very good throws from Brady.  What's your point?  If Brady threw those passes to Welker in the Super Bowl, he'd have four rings right now.
My point was that that catch was well well wellll within the capability of Welker to catch and that he had been in far trickier situations before.  He got both hands well on it.  There was nothing near him.  He had an extremely clear line of sight on the ball.  What else does he need? The ball to hit him in the numbers? No defensive backs on his side of the field?

Throw the ball where it's intended to go, rather than behind the receiver.  It's a fairly simple concept.  Welker did his job by getting open.  It's then on Brady to put the ball in welkers handsa place where Welker doesn't have to make an acrobatic catch.


Which he did and welker dropped it. Welker dropped a very catchable ball roy. Its unhealthy to not accept such obvious realities.