Bradley leads C's Sunday workout

[Greenbean]

I can't help but mention it --

Could Bradley be the team's leader going forward, as opposed to Rondo?  Does Bradley's emerging leadership make Rondo more expendable?

I think I'd err on the side of "no, it doesn't," but it's something to think about.

Maybe a team led by Rondo and a team that embodies Bradley's defensive intensity are not mutually exclusive.  But I can't help wondering if it enters into the team's thinking about whether to keep Rondo.

  Rondo put up 17/10/10 in the playoffs when he was Bradley's age. If we get close to that from Bradley this year he could end up making Rondo expendable. Leading a practice when none of the vets are there, while quite impressive, isn't the kind of thing that makes a team a contender.

In '08 when the Celtics won, we mocked teams like Cleveland and Los Angeles who pointed to individual players' numbers. We talked about how we'd rather win than have the personal titles.

Now that Bradley is clearly taking a step forward in leadership, we're saying that Rondo is still the team's leader just because he got some huge triple double.

I think that if Avery Bradley steps forward as a leader that completely makes Rondo expendable.

  Yes, because according to the new cba, winners of playoff series will be determined by voting based on the leadership qualities of the players, actual performance on the court will just be for show.

  No matter who the Celts faced in the playoffs the last few years there was a decent chance Rondo would be the best player on the court. If you feel the need to replace Rondo you need to replace him with players who will be able to do the same, not scrappy players who run a good practice.

LOL.

It does make me wonder though what a team of "all glue guys with good leadership qualities" would look like.

How about a team with

PG: Derek Fisher
SG: Danny Ainge
SF: Bruce Bowen
PF: Robert Horry
C: Kendrick Perkins

This is off the top of my head which is why there are only Celtics/Lakers lol

[ejk3489]

lol leave it to Celticsblog to turn a thread about Avery leading a C's workout into a debate about whether Rondo should be traded.

If Green leads the next practice does that make Pierce expendable?

[Greenbean]

lol leave it to Celticsblog to turn a thread about Avery leading a C's workout into a debate about whether Rondo should be traded.

If Green leads the next practice does that make Pierce expendable?

Actually Bradley stepping up and running a practice might make Doc expendable.

[BballTim]

lol leave it to Celticsblog to turn a thread about Avery leading a C's workout into a debate about whether Rondo should be traded.

If Green leads the next practice does that make Pierce expendable?

Actually Bradley stepping up and running a practice might make Doc expendable.

  I guess the next step is for Bradley to pick the teams for a scrimmage and make Danny expendable.

[Kane3387]

Funny how so many threads become about trading Rondo. Kind of annoying as well though.

Moving on. I think AB needs to be extended after this season. If we could lock him in for say 4 years 26 million or so that would likely be a great deal.

I think DA needs to do like he did Rondo and lock this guy up sooner then later.

[nostar]

Rondo put up 17/10/10 in the playoffs when he was Bradley's age. If we get close to that from Bradley this year he could end up making Rondo expendable. Leading a practice when none of the vets are there, while quite impressive, isn't the kind of thing that makes a team a contender.

...on 42% FG and 66& FT...getting taken to 7 games but an injured bulls team...getting bounced from the playoffs by the Magic in the 2nd round...don't know if Bradley will ever put up 17/10/10 in any capacity but in concert with Rondo they make a defensive back court that gives us a punchers chance against most teams.

I think Bradley is ideal for our team. The rebuild Danny has done doesn't get enough credit. Rondo, Bradley, Lee, Green, Sully and in a year or two Melo? If we move our veterans for more young pieces in the summer we'll have a lot to work with. I'm very very happy with how Danny has run this team from an administrative perspective.

[BballTim]

Rondo put up 17/10/10 in the playoffs when he was Bradley's age. If we get close to that from Bradley this year he could end up making Rondo expendable. Leading a practice when none of the vets are there, while quite impressive, isn't the kind of thing that makes a team a contender.

...on 42% FG and 66& FT...getting taken to 7 games but an injured bulls team...getting bounced from the playoffs by the Magic in the 2nd round...

  Considering we had a front court consisting of Perk, Baby and Scal and our only healthy backups for pg, sg or sf were House and Starbury I don't think getting past the Bulls and getting to game 7 vs the Magic was overly unimpressive.

[RyNye]

...on 42% FG and 66& FT...getting taken to 7 games but an injured bulls team...getting bounced from the playoffs by the Magic in the 2nd round...

You lose all credibility because you "conveniently" neglect to mention that, in this particular post-season, we were missing arguably our most important player in KG. 

I mean, seriously, did you just forget that our team was hobbled by injuries that year or are you just blatantly lying? It's either one or the other.

[erisred]

Geeze Louise!

A) Bradley probably was the practice's leader because he had been working with Doc's system the longest of any guy at the practice and knew it as well, if not better, than anybody there.

B) IMO, Rondo is not expendable now, nor will he be in the future, but this thread has nothing to do with that.

C) I think it's great that Avery is expressing some leadership qualities!  Not everyone who tries to be a leader does a good job. I hope he does.

[Yogi]

I heard that the heat big 3 got the day off, and Norris Cole showed great leadership qualities.  I wonder what package they will get for Lebron now that he's expendable. 

[BballTim]

I heard that the heat big 3 got the day off, and Norris Cole showed great leadership qualities.  I wonder what package they will get for Lebron now that he's expendable.

  They can get rid of Wade as well, Ray's better at spacing the floor.

[Chief]

Where were Kg, Pierce and Doc? I wonder if it was personal stuff, or more billy hunter stuff.

Doc was watching the Red Claws.  Pierce and Garnett (along with Terry) were under orders to stay off their feet as much as possible, so were likely getting treated by trainers or lifting weights.

I bet White was carrying Doc's bags.

[LarBrd33]

I can't help but mention it --

Could Bradley be the team's leader going forward, as opposed to Rondo?  Does Bradley's emerging leadership make Rondo more expendable?

I think I'd err on the side of "no, it doesn't," but it's something to think about.

Maybe a team led by Rondo and a team that embodies Bradley's defensive intensity are not mutually exclusive.  But I can't help wondering if it enters into the team's thinking about whether to keep Rondo.

I don't think he'll be the leader of the team.  He'll always just be a defensive role player, but I think I like the idea of him as starting PG.  I had a thread about this a few weeks ago... this league is littered with elite scoring point guards.  If you can't land one of those elite scoring point guards, it seems the next big thing would to be have an elite defensive role playing point guard to counteract half the league.  A beautiful example of this just happened against Steph Curry.

Rondo is not a scorer at all.  His skillset is interesting, but not something you build a champion around.  I think leaving Bradley at starting PG and trading Rondo to the highest bidder makes a lot of sense.   Granted, you aren't winning a title unless Bradley is your 5th best starter, but he's a good cog to have and he's definitely not a shooting guard (weak offensively and far too small to play the position long term). 

It makes the most sense to shop Rondo for the highest package.  Thing is... that's exactly what Ainge has been doing essentially every single year and it turns out that Rondo's not all that valuable on the trade market.  So we'll more than likely just hang onto him.

[BballTim]

I can't help but mention it --

Could Bradley be the team's leader going forward, as opposed to Rondo?  Does Bradley's emerging leadership make Rondo more expendable?

I think I'd err on the side of "no, it doesn't," but it's something to think about.

Maybe a team led by Rondo and a team that embodies Bradley's defensive intensity are not mutually exclusive.  But I can't help wondering if it enters into the team's thinking about whether to keep Rondo.

I don't think he'll be the leader of the team.  He'll always just be a defensive role player, but I think I like the idea of him as starting PG.  I had a thread about this a few weeks ago... this league is littered with elite scoring point guards.  If you can't land one of those elite scoring point guards, it seems the next big thing would to be have an elite defensive role playing point guard to counteract half the league.  A beautiful example of this just happened against Steph Curry.

Rondo is not a scorer at all.  His skillset is interesting, but not something you build a champion around.  I think leaving Bradley at starting PG and trading Rondo to the highest bidder makes a lot of sense.   Granted, you aren't winning a title unless Bradley is your 5th best starter, but he's a good cog to have and he's definitely not a shooting guard (weak offensively and far too small to play the position long term). 

It makes the most sense to shop Rondo for the highest package.  Thing is... that's exactly what Ainge has been doing essentially every single year and it turns out that Rondo's not all that valuable on the trade market.  So we'll more than likely just hang onto him.

  Danny shopped Rondo for CP3. Anything else is conjecture on your part. And Rondo's led teams on deep playoff runs, you'd end up dumping him for a decent but consistent player and spend the next 10 or so years looking for a player who can lead a team on a deep playoff run.

[LarBrd33]

I can't help but mention it --

Could Bradley be the team's leader going forward, as opposed to Rondo?  Does Bradley's emerging leadership make Rondo more expendable?

I think I'd err on the side of "no, it doesn't," but it's something to think about.

Maybe a team led by Rondo and a team that embodies Bradley's defensive intensity are not mutually exclusive.  But I can't help wondering if it enters into the team's thinking about whether to keep Rondo.

I don't think he'll be the leader of the team.  He'll always just be a defensive role player, but I think I like the idea of him as starting PG.  I had a thread about this a few weeks ago... this league is littered with elite scoring point guards.  If you can't land one of those elite scoring point guards, it seems the next big thing would to be have an elite defensive role playing point guard to counteract half the league.  A beautiful example of this just happened against Steph Curry.

Rondo is not a scorer at all.  His skillset is interesting, but not something you build a champion around.  I think leaving Bradley at starting PG and trading Rondo to the highest bidder makes a lot of sense.   Granted, you aren't winning a title unless Bradley is your 5th best starter, but he's a good cog to have and he's definitely not a shooting guard (weak offensively and far too small to play the position long term). 

It makes the most sense to shop Rondo for the highest package.  Thing is... that's exactly what Ainge has been doing essentially every single year and it turns out that Rondo's not all that valuable on the trade market.  So we'll more than likely just hang onto him.

  Danny shopped Rondo for CP3. Anything else is conjecture on your part. And Rondo's led teams on deep playoff runs, you'd end up dumping him for a decent but consistent player and spend the next 10 or so years looking for a player who can lead a team on a deep playoff run.

Tim, I adore your posts, but I have it on high authority you actually work for Danny Ainge and your sole job is to flood Celtics message boards with Pro-Rondo propaganda in a vain attempt to desperately keep the perception of his plummeting trade value above water.   So i'll try not to argue with you.  Keep the illusion alive, brotha... at least until we ship him out of here.  It's for the greater good.