NBA institutes anti-flopping rules

[guava_wrench]

I think it is ridiculous actually, it is pushing the blame to the players away from the refs, typical NBA reaction.

The blame should be on the players. 

The players know full well what they are doing.  They are trying to deceive the refs into calling a foul.  As bad as the NBA refs are, you can't expect them to not react to a player falling down, or tripping, or flinching, regardless of whether there was contact or not.  Refs see things in real time, not like we do on replay in slow motion.

If the refs could so simply rule on what is and is not a flop, they'd never call the foul to begin with.  The problem is that the game is too fast and their method of officiating too fixed on body movement for the refs to differentiate between real contact and flopping.

Not only do we see things in slo-mo -- we also see what we want to see. This leads to fans being deluded into the 'obviousness' of a play. They often lack the self-awareness to realize that they are seeing the outcome they are hoping for.

[relja]

It changes the whole nature of the game of basketball. All of us are told at a young age to draw fouls as often as possible to gain free throws for our team..

And plus it would be really hard to determine what's a flop.. What if JO or Hibbert hit LeBron and he really falls down, not flops? What if a weaker player really does flop? It's stupid and won't work.

[DesertCeltFan]

Back in the day...It was the now-revered DOC RIVERS...who had my scorn as the PREEMINENT FLOPPER back in his days as a Hawk...

I hope this works.  Flopping is obviously coached.  I wonder if the KNOWN floppers (Miami, San Antonio, OKC) will get greater scrutiny.  Let's see how this turns out.  It will be interesting to see who does and who DOES NOT get these calls and the controversy that ensues. 

[LooseCannon]

The league should give be more firm on what merits a suspension.  It sounds like they are hedging against the possibility that too many stars will be nabbed if they make it an automatic suspension.

I'd considering giving players 2-3 warning before the fine for this season only so that they can figure out where the line is between flopping and drawing attention to a legitimate foul.

[LooseCannon]

And plus it would be really hard to determine what's a flop.. What if JO or Hibbert hit LeBron and he really falls down, not flops? What if a weaker player really does flop? It's stupid and won't work.

They could differentiate between a Level 1 Flop in which there is contact and a Level 2 Flop in which there is no contact.

[dmopower]

I hate it.  Were not only penalizing the player for his actions, but now were going to read his mind as well. I call bs.

Make the refs do their job and dont give the flopers the bennefit.

 

[flyofchange]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJ8S-PJGEQ

WOW!

[GreenFaith1819]

Somewhere in San Antonio, Manu is biting his nails a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxiWES8G0o

He's one of my favorite Non-Celtics, but this was ridiculous, lol

[nickagneta]

Unless the NBA goes for a 4th referee, one that does nothing but sit on the sideline and watch the video feed of the game, flopping can not be handled by the refs.

The only way flops can be addressed by refs is if after a flop occurs and a foul called while there is a slight stoppage in game play and that 4th referee can review the video and overturn the call almost immediately.

That's it. That's the only way. The game is too fast for most of these older than 50 years old referees to be able to distinguish between a flop and a foul on a regular and precise basis. The players are too fast, the game too fast and the players too skilled at getting real close to a player and flopping and making it appear as if they were fouled. Instant video replay without sacrificing length of game is the only way to do it.

[BASS_THUMPER]

Somewhere in San Antonio, Manu is biting his nails a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxiWES8G0o

He's one of my favorite Non-Celtics, but this was ridiculous, lol

manu pushed him with his shoulder and threw a bow..
great call by the ref..

[BASS_THUMPER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJ8S-PJGEQ

WOW!

clearly james got whacked in the face
refs are doin a great job

james is a lil tender tho..but still

[fairweatherfan]

Is this a "favorite flop" thread now?  Here's my contribution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YLJk2nlylc

[guava_wrench]

I hate it.  Were not only penalizing the player for his actions, but now were going to read his mind as well. I call bs.

Make the refs do their job and dont give the flopers the bennefit.

Ugh! How are the refs supposed to identify who the 'floppers' are?

Instead of league review, you want the refs will have to read minds without the benefit of replay! How does it make any sense to claim the league can't figure it out with video replay unless they read minds, but refs can without even having the benefit of video?

If you don't like the policy, fine. But if you are going to give reasons, they have to be better than that.

[dmopower]

I don't think the 4th ref could solve the problem. I don't see it as a problem. Players make around 50% of their shots. That means they get their job wrong half of the time. There will be errors in the refing as well. the human element is there and a part of the game as I see it. My biggest problem with this is the unlikelyhood of the ref's making consistent calls against role players and stars in the playoffs. The difference in calls is amazing already.

Unless the NBA goes for a 4th referee, one that does nothing but sit on the sideline and watch the video feed of the game, flopping can not be handled by the refs.

The only way flops can be addressed by refs is if after a flop occurs and a foul called while there is a slight stoppage in game play and that 4th referee can review the video and overturn the call almost immediately.

That's it. That's the only way. The game is too fast for most of these older than 50 years old referees to be able to distinguish between a flop and a foul on a regular and precise basis. The players are too fast, the game too fast and the players too skilled at getting real close to a player and flopping and making it appear as if they were fouled. Instant video replay without sacrificing length of game is the only way to do it.

[j804]

Somewhere in San Antonio, Manu is biting his nails a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxiWES8G0o

He's one of my favorite Non-Celtics, but this was ridiculous, lol

I remember this game it was hilarious, they look like crash dummy's rofl