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NBA institutes anti-flopping rules
« on: October 03, 2012, 03:39:10 PM »

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8457259/nba-establishes-new-anti-flopping-penalties-fine-players

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The NBA officially adopted an anti-flopping policy Wednesday, announcing a new rule that will fine repeat offenders this season.

Any player who flops during a regular-season game will be subject to a series of penalties, beginning with a warning for first-time violators. After the warning, players will be fined in increments of $5,000 for each additional flop over the course of the season. The fines increase to $30,000 for a fifth offense.

The NBA stated it would consider suspending any player who violates the anti-flopping rule more than five times in the regular season. The league said it will announce at a later date a separate set of penalties for flopping during the postseason.

"Flops have no place in our game," Stu Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations, said in a written statement. "They either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call.

"Accordingly, both the Board of Governors and the Competition Committee felt strongly that any player who the league determines, following video review, to have committed a flop should -- after a warning -- be given an automatic penalty."

The league defined flopping as "any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player" in an official release.

Commissioner David Stern has long sought to end flopping, believing it tricks the referees. But the league determined it would be too difficult for refs to make the call on the floor, preferring instead to leave it to league office reviews. Jackson's department already reviews flagrant foul penalties to determine if they should be upgraded or downgraded.

"I'm all on board for it," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I think it needs to be addressed. I think the steps they're taking right now, I think will benefit the game. I do. It remains to be seen if it truly has an impact. But I think it's a step in the right direction.

"It's not good for the game; nobody likes the flop. A majority of coaches don't like the flop, particularly if you're trying to build a solid defense."
About freaking time!!!!

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 03:41:29 PM »

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I foresee problems for Paul and Rondo. Depending on how enforcement gets calibrated, of course.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 03:47:00 PM »

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I foresee problems for Paul and Rondo. Depending on how enforcement gets calibrated, of course.

I think they'll target guys hitting the deck on defense to draw an offensive foul a lot more than offensive players flailing around to draw a defensive foul.  If that's the case Pierce and Rondo should be fine.

Of course that flopping definition is so hilariously broad that it could apply to just about anything involving contact.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 04:06:18 PM »

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- I guarantee that Bron Bron never gets fined for more than one all season, and the one fine will be more of a smoke and mirrors act so that the league can say, "Look, even Mr. NBA himself, King James, was fined."

He is a notorious flopper on offense and defense, which is outright embarrassing for a man of his size.

- I bet Pierce hits the $30,000 mark by year's end.

- The entire Spurs team should begin putting pennies in a giant jug in the middle of their locker room, because they're going to need the money to pay their fines.

- The miniscule fine amounts (respective of NBA earnings) will only hurt fringe players, who aren't often on the floor anyway.  Bron Bron can pay $30,000 every game and he'll be fine.  So, this doesn't deter him from continuing to flop.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 04:10:16 PM »

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Manu Ginobilli should be out over $100,000 and be suspended by about the 8th or 9th game of the season.

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 04:18:41 PM »

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i will believe it when i see it.  this isnt the first time the nba claimed they would police flopping

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 04:23:13 PM »

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i will believe it when i see it.  this isnt the first time the nba claimed they would police flopping

Yeah, pretty much in the same boat here.

Sure, this sounds great in theory and all, I just actually want to see the way its enforced before heralding it.


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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 04:25:11 PM »

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i will believe it when i see it.  this isnt the first time the nba claimed they would police flopping
Very true. What ever did happen to that military guy Stern hired to be the anti-flopping czar?

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 04:27:13 PM »

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i will believe it when i see it.  this isnt the first time the nba claimed they would police flopping

Yeah, pretty much in the same boat here.

Sure, this sounds great in theory and all, I just actually want to see the way its enforced before heralding it.

Agreed, but isn't this the first time they've actually laid out guidelines and penalties? 

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 04:30:20 PM »

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Raja Bell is probably suspended by the All Star break wait is he still in the league lol
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 05:14:52 PM »

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I think it is ridiculous actually, it is pushing the blame to the players away from the refs, typical NBA reaction.  If the refs had not begun to call these, an abundance of players would not have mimicked the few who started it.  The reason it has become widespread is because players watched the first Euros, like Vlade, try it and it worked.  If they had just let him lay there when Shaq made his move, we wouldn't be staring at a problem.

Besides, it is going to be very difficult to legislate, even with video review.  All players, as young as middle school, are taught to "sell" the contact, this has been in basketball for years and years.  For instance, when coaching, we teach players to fall on charges, if they just stumble backwards, it doesn't reveal the extent of the contact to the referee who may miss it.  We don't teach to fall when there is no contact, but it is true that refs won't call things if there is contact and a player remains unmoved.  It is a fine line between outright flopping, with zero contact, and exaggerating, making a brush seem like a tractor ran over you.  LeBron is famous for both, but mostly the second kind.  It is incredulous how hard he falls for how strong he is and what little contact there is.  But is this flopping or selling the ref on the contact?

The league should start with reviewing the refs after the games, penalizing those who were fooled too often. Penalizing the players makes no sense, they only do it because it works!  If the refs let more go, erring on the side of not calling a small brush of contact rather than calling even a hint of contact, you would see flopping gradually dissipate.  Only the NBA would put the onus on the players for an issue that lies in the hands of the officials.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 05:27:23 PM »

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I like the effort but i still think flops should be consequented with technicals right there on the spot.

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 05:32:33 PM »

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I think it is ridiculous actually, it is pushing the blame to the players away from the refs, typical NBA reaction.

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 05:34:24 PM »

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I think it is ridiculous actually, it is pushing the blame to the players away from the refs, typical NBA reaction.

The blame should be on the players. 

The players know full well what they are doing.  They are trying to deceive the refs into calling a foul.  As bad as the NBA refs are, you can't expect them to not react to a player falling down, or tripping, or flinching, regardless of whether there was contact or not.  Refs see things in real time, not like we do on replay in slow motion.

If the refs could so simply rule on what is and is not a flop, they'd never call the foul to begin with.  The problem is that the game is too fast and their method of officiating too fixed on body movement for the refs to differentiate between real contact and flopping.


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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 05:40:45 PM »

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I think it is ridiculous actually, it is pushing the blame to the players away from the refs, typical NBA reaction.  If the refs had not begun to call these, an abundance of players would not have mimicked the few who started it.
I think blaming the refs for this is ridiculous actually.

It is impossible for refs to always get these calls correct. Things happen too fast. Try reffing a game. Instead of demanding the impossible as you are doing, the NBA is trying to actually do something that can improve the game.